raghu:
> >What is the Marxist take on this new economy? Do most of the service
> >sector jobs fall in the category of unproductive labor? After all
> >security guards and cashiers do not create any use value. (Blackjack
> >dealers arguably do create use value though of a dubious kind.)
> >-raghu.

Louis Proyect wrote:
> Didn't you mean to say that security guards and cashiers do not
> produce surplus value? I myself find that distinction rather useless
> since they are necessary to the realization of surplus value over the
> entire productive sphere.

guards and dealers definitely produce use-values; otherwise no-one
would pay them. But, at least in Marxian political economy, they do
not produce surplus-value. The guard simply preserves property rights,
while the cashier transfers them. The worker who produces
surplus-value -- who might be a service-worker, contrary to Adam Smith
-- actually creates new property rights, which are held by the
employer.

Paul Phillips:
>But Louis, isn't that the point. Unproductive labour must be paid out of
> surplus value.  As the ratio of unproductive to productive labour
> increases, the rate of exploitation of productive labour must increase, no?






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