What I wanted to argue is that I can not see the usefulness of ticket 723 if it only firstUsed, lastUsed and useCount. Of course it can be used to answer "search those resources I havent used in 2 weeks but used a lot in the past" but I consider it more a tailored made case than a real world situation.
The work of usercontext look really promising and I would argue to drop any simple statistic data in favor of it. I am worried thought about how much data can it generate each day of normal desktop usage. On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Leo Sauermann <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Urho, people, usercontext (2nd mail, why? see p.s.) > > hey, the ticket 723 has more for you which you didn't realize yet.... > http://dev.nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/ticket/723 > > ActionEvent is the same as NativeOperation from usercontext (mentioned > there) > http://usercontext.opendfki.de/ > > In combination, nop:NativeOperation and wcon:MediumTermContextThread > are exactly what you described. > > With the slight difference that we have been using > nop:NativeOperation since years in prototypical code, > documented, published in papers, and mentioned in the ticket, > and a mailinglist and community for this (cc'ed) > > Usercontext people --> the nepomuk people know have a need for a > good-documented > and standardizeable WCON and NOP ontology - what do you say? > > -> please read the ticket, if we are going to standardize this, it is > important to not reinvent the wheel > ;-) > > best > Leo > > p.s. Uh, sorry, same mail again, this time with the right > usercontext-community mail address: [email protected]. > > It was Urho Konttori who said at the right time 04.02.2009 08:53 the > following words: > > ext Jordi Polo wrote: > > > With the proposed change it is impossible to distinguish among usage > patterns, for example you can not distinguish between something used > heavely 5 years ago, forgotten and touched today or touched once 5 > years ago and used heavily lately. > > > > I would argue that these are separate cases. What Evgeny has proposed is > very high abstraction level data of usage statistics and is definitely > very useful for applications. However, if you need to store the history, > I would propose adding an ActionEvent class to either NAO or to NIE > core. ActionEvent should also be flexible enough (and allow sub > classing) to suit tracking of - not only use statistics, but also > actions that have been taken to subject. For example to allow > application to store that I replied to your email at this time. It could > also contain location and context in general context. ActionEvent class > data could then be used by applications to do pattern recognition and > for usage patterns (e.g. abstract property of currentImportance (float) > to be calculated from the overall usage and the near time usage). > > > Anyway, Evgenys proposal is sound to me. I could see that also fitting > nicely to InformationElement, and not only to nao. Just as a comment on > why it is not only user dependent is that e.g. music files contain the > playcount as a tag, so then it's multiuser property. > > Kind regards, > Urho > > > > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Leo Sauermann <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>> wrote: > > Hi Hari, > > Evgeny Egorochkin suggested to add usage statistics to the NEPOMUK > ontologies: > please read here: > http://dev.nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/ticket/723 > > I know you did something similar (the same?): > http://techbase.kde.org/User_talk:Harikrishna > > Can you please give us a comment (within a week) about the proposed > changes to NEPOMUK ontologies? > > best > Leo > > > -- > ____________________________________________________ > DI Leo Sauermann http://www.dfki.de/~sauermann > <http://www.dfki.de/%7Esauermann> > <http://www.dfki.de/%7Esauermann> <http://www.dfki.de/%7Esauermann> > > Deutsches Forschungszentrum fuer > Kuenstliche Intelligenz DFKI GmbH > Trippstadter Strasse 122 > P.O. 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