APPLE AND GOOGLE JUST ATTENDED A CONFIDENTIAL SPY
SUMMIT IN A REMOTE ENGLISH MANSION
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/
BY
<https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/https://firstlook.org/theintercept/staff/ryan-gallagher/>RYAN
GALLAGHER
<https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/https://twitter.com/@rj_gallagher>@rj_gallagher
TODAY AT 5:47 PM
Featured photo - Apple and Google Just Attended a Confidential
At an 18th-century mansion in England’s
countryside last week, current and former spy
chiefs from seven countries faced off with
representatives from tech giants Apple and Google
to discuss government surveillance in the aftermath of Edward Snowden’s leaks.
The three-day conference, which took place behind
closed doors and under strict rules about
confidentiality, was aimed at debating the line between privacy and security.
Among an extraordinary list of attendees were a
host of current or former heads from spy agencies
such as the CIA and British electronic
surveillance agency Government Communications
Headquarters, or GCHQ. Other current or former
top spooks from Australia, Canada, France,
Germany, and Sweden were also in attendance.
Google, Apple, and telecommunications company
Vodafone sent some of their senior policy and
legal staff to the discussions. And a handful of
academics and journalists were also present.
According to
<https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2085593-ditchley-intelligence-and-security-conference.html>an
event program obtained by The Intercept,
questions on the agenda included: “Are we being
misled by the term ‘mass surveillance’?”, “Is
spying on allies/friends/potential adversaries
inevitable if there is a perceived national
security interest?”, “Who should authorize
intrusive intelligence operations such as
interception?”, “What should be the nature of the
security relationship between intelligence
agencies and private sector providers, especially
when they may in any case be cooperating against
cyber threats in general?”, and “How much should
the press disclose about intelligence activity?”
The list of participants included:
From companies:
Richard Salgado, Google’s legal director for law
enforcement and information security; Verity
Harding, Google’s U.K. public policy manager and
head of security and privacy policy; Jane
Horvath, Apple’s senior director of global
privacy; Erik Neuenschwander, Apple’s product
security and privacy manager; Matthew Kirk,
Vodafone Group’s external affairs director.
From the U.S.:
John McLaughlin, the CIA’s former acting director
and deputy director; Jami Miscik, the CIA’s
former director of intelligence; Mona Sutphen,
member of President Obama’s Intelligence Advisory
Board and former White House deputy chief of
staff; Rachel Brand, member of
the<https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/https://www.pclob.gov/>Privacy
and Civil Liberties Oversight Board; George
Newcombe, board of visitors, Columbia University
law school; David Ignatius, Washington Post
columnist and associate editor; Sue Halpern, New
York Review of Books contributor.
From the U.K.:
Robert Hannigan, current chief of British
surveillance agency GCHQ; Sir David Omand, former
GCHQ chief; Sir Malcolm Rifkind, former head of
the British parliament’s Intelligence and
Security Committee; Lord Butler of Brockwell,
member of the Intelligence and Security
Committee; Dr Jamie Saunders, director of the
National Cybercrime Unit at the
<https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/http://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/>National
Crime Agency; Sir Mark Waller, Intelligence
Services Commissioner; Peter Clarke, former head
of Counter Terrorism Command at London’s
Metropolitan Police; Baroness Neville-Jones,
House of Lords special representative to business
on cyber security and member of the joint
parliamentary committee on national security
strategy; John Spellar, member of parliament;
Duncan Campbell, investigative journalist; Gordon
Corera, BBC security correspondent; Professor
Timothy Garton Ash, historian and author;
Phillipa McCrostie, global vice chair of
transaction advisory services, Ernst & Young.
From Europe:
Ernst Uhrlau, former head of the German federal
intelligence service, the BND; Christophe Bigot,
director of strategy for French surveillance
agency Directorate General for External Security;
Ingvar Akesson, former director general of
Sweden’s surveillance agency, the FRA; Gilles de
Kerchove, the European Union’s counter terrorism
coordinator; Isabelle Falque-Pierrotin, chair of
the EU’s
<https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/https://secure.edps.europa.eu/EDPSWEB/edps/Cooperation/Art29>Article
29 Working Party, which deals with data
protection issues; Dr Guiseppe Busia, secretary
general of the Italian data protection authority;
Jacob Kohnstamm, chairman of the Dutch data protection authority.
From Australia and Canada:
David Irvine, former chief of the Australian
Security Intelligence Organisation; Richard
Fadden, Canadian government national security
adviser and deputy minister at the Department of
National Defense, former director of the Canadian
Security Intelligence Service; Kent Roach,
professor of law at the University of Toronto;
Jacques Fremont, president, Quebec Human Rights and Youth Rights Commission.
The event was chaired by the former British MI6
spy chief Sir John Scarlett and organized by the
<https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/http://www.ditchley.co.uk/>Ditchley
Foundation, which holds several
behind-closed-doors conferences every year at its
mansion in Oxfordshire (pictured above) in an
effort to address “complex issues of
international concern.” The discussions are held
under what is called the
<https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/http://www.chathamhouse.org/about/chatham-house-rule>Chatham
House Rule, meaning what is said by each attendee
during the meetings cannot be publicly revealed,
a setup intended to encourage open and frank
discussion. The program outlining the conference
on surveillance warned participants “not under
any circumstances to reveal to any person not
present at the conference” details about what
particular individuals talked about.
Investigative reporter Duncan Campbell, who
attended the event, told The Intercept that it
was a “remarkable” gathering that “would have
been inconceivable without Snowden,” the National
Security Agency whistleblower.
“Away from the fetid heat of political posturing
and populist headlines, I heard some unexpected
and surprising comments from senior intelligence
voices, including that ‘cold winds of
transparency’ had arrived and were here to stay,”
said Campbell, who has been reporting on British
spy agencies over a career spanning four decades.
He added: “Perhaps to many participants’
surprise, there was general agreement across
broad divides of opinion that Snowden – love him
or hate him – had changed the landscape; and that
change towards transparency, or at least
‘translucency’ and providing more information
about intelligence activities affecting privacy,
was both overdue and necessary.”
One particularly notable attendee was GCHQ chief
Hannigan, who stayed only for the first day of
the discussions. Hannigan recently took over the
top British eavesdropping job, and one of the
first things he did in the post was to
<https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/c89b6c58-6342-11e4-8a63-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3ao8Ioy9r>publicly
accuse U.S. tech companies of being
“command-and-control networks of choice for
terrorists and criminals,” which is not likely to
have gone down well with the likes of Google and
Apple. (Neither Google nor Apple had responded to
requests for comment on this story at time of publication.)
Hannigan may have viewed the event as an
opportunity to rein in his rhetoric and attempt
to gain the trust of the tech giants. The British
spy chief has
<https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/c89b6c58-6342-11e4-8a63-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3ao8Ioy9r>said
U.S. tech companies should provide “greater
support” to surveillance agencies and that he
wants to see “better arrangements for
facilitating lawful investigation by security and
law enforcement agencies than we have now.” In
the U.S., similar
<https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/2014/09/25/68c4e08e-4344-11e4-9a15-137aa0153527_story.html>pressure
has been exerted on the companies, with federal
agencies pushing for greater cooperation on
surveillance amid an increased adoption of
encryption technology that protects the privacy of communications.
In the aftermath of Snowden revelations showing
extensive Internet surveillance perpetrated by
British and American spies and their allies,
Google and other companies have
<https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614137/Spy-chiefs-warn-PM-Internet-giants-including-Google-Facebook-shielding-terrorists-paedophiles.html>reportedly
become more resistant to government data
requests. Google engineers were outraged by some
of the disclosures and openly sent a
“<https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/googlers-say-f-you-to-nsa-company-encrypts-internal-network/>fuck
you” to the surveillance agencies while hardening
Google’s security. Meanwhile, Apple has
<https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/22/apple-data/>expanded
the range of data that’s encrypted by default on
iPhones, iPads, and Mac computers, and CEO Tim
Cook has
<https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/22/apple-google-spy-summit-cia-gchq-ditchley-surveillance/https://www.apple.com/privacy/>vowed
never to give the government access to Apple
servers, stating “we all have a right to
privacy.” But the Ditchley event is a sign that,
behind the scenes at least, a dialogue is
beginning to open up between the tech giants and
the spy agencies post-Snowden, and relations may be thawing.
Photo: Graham Barclay/Bloomberg/Getty Images
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