As an addendum, my idea would also apply to non-attribute variables.

If you say 'my %abc' in a method or sub, and later say 'return %abc', then a reference to %abc will be returned by default.

So its not like I'm treating attributes differently.

-- Darren Duncan

At 3:27 PM -0800 3/17/05, Darren Duncan wrote:
It occurs to me that I may have requested something before that would cause more problems than it solves if implemented. So I have a different idea that would hopefully be efficient, powerful, and easy to learn. In short, make it work much like Perl 5.

The idea is Perl methods and subs will always return references or scalars by default, just as method/sub arguments always take references or scalars by default; so we have symmetry between the in/out. And they would do this the same way regardless of the caller scalar/list context.

If the writer of a method/sub wants to return a copy of a non-trivial structure like a hash or array, they explicitly copy it and return the copy. This is elegant because when they are explicitly copying, they can also fully control to what depth in a tree-like structure the items have either their values or their references copied.

For example, with the same $:foo, @:bar, %:baz attributes ...

These would return references to the structure root, in all contexts:

    return \$self.:foo;
    return $self.:bar;
    return $self.:baz;
    return \$:foo;
    return @:bar;
    return %:baz;

These would return a new structure with level-1 copies of the elements, but if any elements are references then the copies point to the same things in all contexts:

    return $self.:foo;
    return [$self.:bar];
    return {$self.:baz};
    return $:foo;
    return [@:bar];
    return {%:baz};

The exact syntax could vary. The above would scale to, say, explicit 2-dimensional copy similarly to Perl 5, like this:

    return [$self.:bar.map:{ [$_] }];
    return [@:bar.map:{ [$_] }];

Now, I am operating under the assumption here that in Perl 6, the line between having a reference to something or having that thing is blurred, and so there is no need to do explicit dereferencing; eg, no @{} or %{}.

All that the caller context would then determine is whether what the method/sub returned is flattened or not; the caller context would not determine whether the method/sub returns a copy or a reference.

Question: Is there a trait for a sub/method that specifies whether it forces a scalar or list context?

Any opinions on this?

-- Darren Duncan



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