Moin, On Tuesday 31 January 2006 06:50, chromatic wrote: > On Monday 30 January 2006 20:40, Adam Kennedy wrote: > > Incremental releasing is a toolchain problem. [snip a good comparisation]
> I don't say this often, but that really doesn't seem scalable to me. > If I have to re-release a distribution because of a bug in the build > system that users can't upgrade on their own, the build system sucks > for my purposes. And now you understand why I am angry that users updating their YAML to the newest version couldn't install my modules because YAML changed and I had to release new versions of all of them (or tell the users to downgrade their YAML, or wait for a new YAML and then upgrade it). I can mitigate this by not using YAML. So I could use Module:Install instead and find myself in the very same boat - I have to hope that the bundled version of Module::Install will work on whatever system the user has. (I think it will, but so I though YAML will :-D Now, I know Module::Install is an outstanding piece of work, and while it does have the "bundling" issue, it should also be noted that the other two options aren't much better as my YAML problem (and the Module::Build dependency) show. You basically have to hope that the user's system has the tools to install your module. At the end of the day, it comes down to who has the work, and the ability to fix this. If my users can fix things on their end, it removes the dependency on my (and my free time and energy). If I can fix things for them, it removes the dependency on their time and energy. I see myself as a solution provider, and I want my modules as small, lean, correct and easy to use as possible. If I can save 5 minutes, but create a bigger download/workload/system requirements for all my users, well, I would not do that. So, it comes down to find a compromise. If I spend all day long arguing install methodologies and fiddle with my Makefile.PLs, I am not writing code. So less talk and more code from me :) Best wishes, Tels -- Signed on Tue Jan 31 18:24:56 2006 with key 0x93B84C15. Visit my photo gallery at http://bloodgate.com/photos/ PGP key on http://bloodgate.com/tels.asc or per email. "Let's say there are a thousand. But there are 284 million people in this country. You can't have public policy that is aimed at 100,000 people when the other multi-multi-millions are also involved. You can't do it that way." - Jack Valenty in http://tinyurl.com/2y65n
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