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From: "Cameron Laird" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: dLoo releases peer-to-peer programming language


> > From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Wed Jul 
>11 13:35:23 2001
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > The lesson to be drawn is consistent with Dan sayings: it is  an excellent way to 
>spread a product as a browser or better as a
> > plug-in  but the security model must be thought ab initio. Sun and Gosling have 
>learnt that, among many other things,
> > with their unsuccessful and long-defunct  Network extensible Windows system: NeWS.
> > Absence of security model is  alsso probably the reason  why perl did not trhive
> > in this biotop (the browsers themselves , not the servers who feeded the browsers).
> > The module Safe is nice though but that is an afterthought . As a result it could 
>not be made  totally secure.
> > .
> > .
> > .
> Maybe.
>
> In '94-95, Perl was painful to embed; moreover, it lacked
> a popular way to construct "dancing bears", which seemed
> to be at the heart of the first hundred thousand client-
> side Java demonstrations.
>
> At this point, I'm unconvinced that anything that happened
> during the Era of Browser Wars had to do with a sophisti-
> cated appreciation of security, by anyone, in any direction.

I agree that "dancing bears" was what made java a success in a
then dull browser world but its long-lasting success well beyond the
browser biotop is due in great part to its security model.
Pursuing my biologic metaphor spreading is necessary, but it is not enough.
A security model for a software entity  in the promiscuous Internet world is akin to 
an healthy immune system for a biological
organism.

--
  stef

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