Perl 6 Summary for 2004-12-20 through 2005-01-03
All~
Welcome to a New Year of Perl 6 Summaries. I have been doing bi-weekly
summaries over the holiday season, but I plan on returning to weekly
ones now. Hopefully "World of Warcraft" won't prevent me, we shall see,
but if anyone starts a perl guild drop me a line ;-)
Perl 6 Language
Perl IDE
matisse wondered if an IDE for Perl would be possible given its dynamic
nature. The conses arrived at last time was that an IDE that worked for
"nice" code would be possible, but a fully general one would be
extremely difficult and quite possibly impossible.
<http://xrl.us/ekks>
Premature Optimization
jona... has a rant about low level data types and premature
optimizations. So google tells me, but I can't find it in my gmail
account... Perhaps he posted directly to google continuation enhanced
arcs. I wish people would not do that....
<http://xrl.us/ekkt>
strictness of fully qualified globals
Alexey Trofimenko wanted to know if Perl 6 would have a way to catch
mistakes like $OtherPackage::NmaeWithTypo when using strict. The thread
seemed to wander off without answering his question... Although it did
note that perhaps " OtherPackage::$NmaeWithTypo " would make more sense.
<http://xrl.us/ekku>
Perl 6 Compiler
using ASCII 0 as a terminating character
Nicholas Clark pointed out that Perl 5 allows '\0' to be used as a
quoting character for " q{} ". He felt that this was useful and should
be kept in Perl 6. Patrick agreed.
<http://xrl.us/ekkv>
Parrot
P5 was the new P2
Last time, I reported that Sam and Leo wanted to pass P5 in P2 as well.
Sam reported later that he was no longer confident in this idea. I guess
I should de-nudge Dan....
<http://xrl.us/ekkw>
warning in pybuiltin.pmc
Simon Glover submitted a patch to fix it, but Warnock applies.
<http://xrl.us/ekkx>
POD cleanup
chromatic applied his previously threatened patch with a polite thanks
to himself.
<http://xrl.us/ekky>
reading past EOF in PIR
Matt Diephouse noted that the error from reading past the EOF in PIR was
not really informative. Patches welcome.
<http://xrl.us/ekkz>
Missing examples in PDD16
Simon Glover noticed a section in PDD16 that just stops midsentence. He
suggested that it be either finished or the section removed. No
answer...
<http://xrl.us/ekk2>
MMD and VTABLE_find
Leo and Sam continued their discussion of how to implement MMD. The
conversations stopped, but I am not sure that it progressed. Perhaps
some guidance would be helpful...
<http://xrl.us/ekk3>
PyCon discussions
A.M. Kuchling noted that PyCon is scheduled for March 23-25 in DC. Many
folk will be there including the authors of IronPython and Jython. The
deadline for submissions was the Dec 31, but that does not mean that
people cannot attend, learn a whole bunch, and take over the world.
<http://xrl.us/ekk4>
Dynclasses Broken build
Will noted that dynclasses/*py* broke the build. Sam fixed it with
alacrity.
<http://xrl.us/ekk5>
mod_parrot
Adrian Lambeck provided a patch to get mod_parrot working with
parrot-0.1.1. Nicholas Clark applied it.
<http://xrl.us/ekk6>
missing "make test" dependencies
Will Coleda noted some problems with running "make test" with first
running "make". Sam fixed them, but could not close the RT tickets...
<http://xrl.us/ekk7>
split on RegExp
Will Colleda gave Patrick a friend nudge about split. Patrick noted the
nudge.
<http://xrl.us/ekk8>
--no-lines and --help for ops2*.pl
Bernhard Schmalhofer added support for the above mentioned flags to
ops2c.pl and ops2pm.pl. Leo applied it.
<http://xrl.us/ekk9>
StringArray--
Prompted by a question from Simon Glover, Leo deprecated StringArray.
<http://xrl.us/ekma>
ponie on x86 solaris
Andy Bach noticed some problems with ponie on x86 solaris. Leo and
Nicholas Clark helped him get the failing ponie slightly farther before
failing.
<http://xrl.us/ekmb>
Win32 dynclass issues
Jonathan Worthington bravely set out to fix dynclass pains in Win32.
With the help of Leo and Nicholas Clark, he is making progress.
<http://xrl.us/ekmc>
Undef != Undef
Simon Glover noted that this oddity was causing unexpected results. This
led to some scrutiny of the Fixed vs Resizable arrays. The conses is
that the core PMCs need their exact semantics specified and then
implemented. As oposed to the current approach of letting the
implementation be the specification...
<http://xrl.us/ekmd> -- Undef != Undef
<http://xrl.us/ekme> -- Hash PMC needs it too
<http://xrl.us/ekmf> -- more ResizablePMCArray problems.
<http://xrl.us/ekmg> -- garbage values in Fixed*Arrays
deleting keys from an OrderedHash
Simon Glover noticed that it hurt when he did this. Leo told him not to
do that.
<http://xrl.us/ekmh>
native structures for parrot
Graciliano M. P. explained that he wanted native datatypes in Parrot so
he could make optimizations where approriate. Leo, Luke, and Bernhard
all explained that it could be done. Bernhard Schmalhofer even went on
to ponder Piddles in Parrot.
<http://xrl.us/ekmi>
<http://pdl.perl.org/>
Parrot bench's working directory
Matt Diephouse wondered if he should make parrot bench be run from the
root directory instead of its sub dir. Joshua Gatcomb indicated that he
should.
<http://xrl.us/ekmj>
VTABLE_call_method
Sam Ruby solicited input on adding a new VTABLE_call_method slot.
<http://xrl.us/ekmk>
pop_pad
Peter Christopher wondered why pop_pad had yet to be implemented.
<http://xrl.us/ekmm>
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