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so many ways to kill... I agree that the first option is to control infestations with IPM, and that a vacuum may be your best weapon for a surgical, rather than nuclear strike. That said, there are many ways to disinfest that I've seen in my musem travels. They are often combined, and different countries and communities all seem to have their own favorites. For example, at a conservation trade show in Ferara, Italy a few years ago, I saw about five Italian companies offering oxygen-free environments for killing insects, with materials, methods, and machinery comparable or superior to the Veloxy system. I myself offer barrier film and Ageless oxygen absorbers, which are popular in North America for anoxic disenfestation. I sell to museums, and to private customers if they find me. There's no investment in machinery or monitoring, so it's a good solution for some (smaller problems). Anoxia can also be done in entrained bags (as do the Italians), in large sealed chambers, in big bags, with chemicals, nitrogen from tanks, dewars, or generators, with or without humdity control. I've done most of these, and they all work. I've also seen a truck mounted German system for heating large quantities of artefacts (usually furniture) at a conference in London. This system uses a combination of heat and exact humidity control to safely (and it seems to be quite safe) heat materials to destroy any resident insects. I've seen it used on an entire two-storey house (or at least seen the reports). CO2 is used for fumigation in various museums in North America, but not used in many other countries due to its poisonous nature (and accompanying regulations). It needs the simplist of set ups, and is great for pile's of stuff. There are some interesting methods published on using heat alone by creating black plastic tents to disinfect, an especially useful technique where power is not available, such as in many tropical museums. Last year I advised a US museum on setting such a system up for some art (made of dried tree branches) that was about to go on display. Time was of the essence, and poison could not be used. It was summertime, so... My local museum has a reefer truck permanently parked in its loading dock to freeze materials coming in. Many museums have dedicated freezers for same. And these methods can often be combined. No one method is best, some are quick, some slow, some more complex and some more dangerous to the objects than others. The solution you will need will depend on the size, severity, time available, object, regulations, skill, budget, etc. Pushing any one method, either as a cure all, or as a superior method, is not productive. This use of the PestList for promotion of a product without ensuring that it is the best solution just distracts us from other more interesting work. js Jerry Shiner Keepsafe Microclimate Systems Specialists in the design, procurement, and installation of environmental control systems for museums and archives www.keepsafe.ca i...@keepsafe.ca +1 416 703 4696 +1 800 683 4696 -----Original Message----- From: "bugma...@aol.com" <bugma...@aol.com> Sent: 12/14/2009 12:45 PM To: "pestlist@museumpests.net" <pestlist@museumpests.net> Subject: Re: [pestlist] Fwd: Veloxy for massive desinfectation Heating for disinfestation may be destructive to artifacts; freezing is much preferred. Phosphine fumigation or any toxic fumigation is an atom bomb, when a vacuum cleaner might work! Let's get back to basics and identify what we have, where it may be coming from, is it active, how widespread is it, and how can we prevent it in the first place. Tom Parker -----Original Message----- From: Robert Child <robert.ch...@museumwales.ac.uk> To: 'pestlist@museumpests.net' <pestlist@museumpests.net> Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2009 10:06 am Subject: RE: [pestlist] Fwd: Veloxy for massive desinfectation Dear Mr Paulino Despite it looking a 'green' and safe disinfection measure, it is difficult and relatively expensive to carry out on bulk material, and is time consuming. Heat systems are usually quicker, easier and cheaper as is fumigation with phosphine. Regards Bob Child R.E. Child Head of Conservation/Pennaeth Cadwraeth National Museum Wales/Amguedffa Cymru Cathays Park/Parc Cathays Cardiff/Caerdydd CF10 3NP UK Tel/Ffon: 029 20573245 Fax/Ffacs: 029 20573124 e-mail/e-bost: robert.ch...@museumwales.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: pestlist-ow...@museumpests.net [mailto:pestlist-ow...@museumpests.net] On Behalf Of rafael paulino Sent: 14 December 2009 13:46 To: pestlist@museumpests.net Subject: [pestlist] Fwd: Veloxy for massive desinfectation ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: rafael paulino <rafamengch...@gmail.com> Date: 2009/12/14 Subject: Veloxy for massive desinfectation To: pestl...@museumpest.net Good morning I would like if somebody says to me where I can acquire the Veloxy system, and if this system is useful for aims of massive desinfectation for documents. Thank you very much Rafael Paulino Archivo General de la Nacion Republica Dominicana YMWADIAD Mae pob neges ebost a anfonir i neu gan Amgueddfa Cymru yn cael ei sganio gan systemau diogelwch awtomatig er mwyn rheoli negeseuon digymell a dileu cynnwys amhriodol neu beryglus. Cafodd y neges hon ei sganio am firysau cyn ei hanfon, ond dylech hefyd fodloni'ch hun bod y neges, a phob atodiad ynddi, yn rhydd o firysau cyn ei defnyddio gan nad yw'r Amgueddfa'n derbyn cyfrifoldeb am unrhyw golled neu ddifrod o ganlyniad i agor y neges neu unrhyw atodiadau. Gall y neges hon ac unrhyw ffeiliau a atodir ynddi gynnwys gwybodaeth gyfrinachol a fwriadwyd ar gyfer y derbynnydd yn unig. Os ydych chi wedi derbyn y neges trwy gamgymeriad, rhowch wybod i ni a chofiwch ddileu'r neges. Safbwyntiau personol yr awdur yw'r safbwyntiau a fynegir yn y neges hon, ac nid ydynt o reidrwydd yn cynrychioli safbwyntiau'r Amgueddfa. 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