Hi Martyn
Maybe i was being a little defensive ... Don't worry, no permanent
damage :-)
J.
Martyn Hare wrote:
There is no need to bark at me ... I was just laying out some options.
Afterall I thought this was a user-group and not a consultancy!
I did not intend to bark at you I was responding with the lettering marked out
for the sake of simplicity. I was not intending to pick on what you said in
any way, was merely ensuring that OP knew that NTFS was indeed supported and
he did not need to reinstall or mess around with hard disks to achieve his
goal (get a working Ubuntu install without sacrificing his data).
Meanwhile, all we can do is offer STARTING POINTS for them to discover
the journey for themselves; and i believe this is all i did, but this is
not the first time i have received a 'territorial response' and it seems
i have in-inadvertently stood on someone's toes. Sorry about that - it
was not intended and i now see that you presume to know more about the
geography of this persons hardware than i do - so from now on I think I
will keep my mouth shut.
My response was not intended to be territorial in any way, if I came across as
aggressive in my posting i'm sorry. I seem to work a lot better on IRC than
e-mail, guess that's just a flaw i'll have to overcome in time. You know
something beyond what OP mentioned? If so again.. my bad.
And if you want to get picky:
- Ubuntu isn't the only Distro that installs GRUB
- Ubuntu is great but it is only one of the many versions of Debian.
- Someone who felt confident at resizing an active Windows installation
[which may contain important data] would not need to visit the Ubuntu
Wicki!
Indeed, was referring to how Ubuntu sets up GRUB based on OP's goal. If I was
to recommend a good distribution for a newbie it would probably be
RHEL/CentOS (long-term support, after a few years has very few bugs etc. ).
Again my bad with regards to the Ubuntu Wiki advice, repartitioning is
reasonably safe and mostly simple in this day and age but like many other
things (DOS 6.22 DriveSpace conversion anyone?) sometimes things do go wrong.
That indeed should be noted.
So ... as you see, I was simply making suggestions ... not solutions!
I shall shut-up now.
As was I, sorry if I came across as a bit picky or aggressive in what I said.
Was not intentional. I think I should be the one shutting up tbh.
Regards,
Martyn Hare
On Saturday 08 March 2008 15:07:44 substation wrote:
To Martyn
There is no need to bark at me ... I was just laying out some options.
Afterall I thought this was a user-group and not a consultancy!
Moreover, as we all know, "only the person who asked the question can
decide what works for them best of all".
Meanwhile, all we can do is offer STARTING POINTS for them to discover
the journey for themselves; and i believe this is all i did, but this is
not the first time i have received a 'territorial response' and it seems
i have in-inadvertently stood on someone's toes. Sorry about that - it
was not intended and i now see that you presume to know more about the
geography of this persons hardware than i do - so from now on I think I
will keep my mouth shut.
All-in-all, I would say that the original question was asking for advice
only - and not a definite method or a defined practice.
Suggestions are supplied "as-is" and don't afford any veiled reference
to defining the actual answer!
So ... before i leave the stage ...
I would suggest that you send your response to the original individual
who asked the question and not base your response on quoting or
prosecuting my simplified overview of ideas.
I did offer this opportunity but it seems this was avoided - so to take
the main points you addressed:
[a] There is a case for NTFS and FAT32 - choose what works for you!.
[b] And with regard to USB drives - I was just summarising a variety of
options based on the original question and the information we know.
[c/d] Agreed but ... without stating the obvious answers [i.e.
re-install both on the same hard disk] common sense would say that -
"Someone who is experienced at re-sizing a partition would not have
asked the question in the first place."
And if you want to get picky:
- Ubuntu isn't the only Distro that installs GRUB
- Ubuntu is great but it is only one of the many versions of Debian.
- Someone who felt confident at resizing an active Windows installation
[which may contain important data] would not need to visit the Ubuntu
Wicki!
[e/f] Why cause more work for yourself. Just swap the drive connectors
over!
BTW.LIVE CD's don't need to be installed - simply save your settings for
later [i won't detail your options here, but you have many].
[g] agreed
[h] this was for you to add a suggestion ...
So ... as you see, I was simply making suggestions ... not solutions!
I shall shut-up now.
J.
Martyn Hare wrote:
[a/b] Why is FAT32 necessary? There's an NTFS driver for FUSE that can
do NTFS reading and writing. NTFS-3G has just gone stable and loads into
the kernel as a module.... FAT32 is unnecessary.
[b] Old BIOSes can't boot external USB drives either. SATA does not need
to be an array either, GRUB has a device map for that reason.
[c/d] For a start Ubuntu will install GRUB by default.. which should
offer you the choice between Windows and Linux. The bootloader will
automatically be written to the Master Boot Record and all hard disks
will be detected for the presence of other systems. In the case that no
bootloader is installed, grub-install can quickly and easily sort it out.
Also the Ubuntu Wiki has plenty of info on manually adding a Windows
boot option if a Windows install is not detected.
[e/f] Why not just install to a hard disk using Wubi in that case? It's
easy to test the system while still keeping it up to date and secure.
Easy to remove and doesn't come with the penalty that LiveCDs carry.
[g] Good idea, find the distro that suits you not the distro with the
biggest marketing hype =]
[h] Numbers are sexier ;-p
Regards,
Martyn Hare
On Friday 07 March 2008 20:45:30 substation wrote:
That approach implies that
[a] if you have IDE drives - that linux and windows are installed on the
same drive; thereby implying that if you are still using IDE then your
bios will be so old that it will not support booting from optional IDE
disks.
It also means that GRUB/LILO or Windows exist at the beginning of the
cylinder - if this was so, then i guess Mark woulnd' need to ask the
question?
[b] if you have modern SATA disks - then you will need to setup an ARRAY
- thereby implying a re-install of all operating systems. Moving from 2
SATA drives to 3 could imply the existence of a RAID feature but from 1
to 2 disks implies no RAID ever existed.
so i suggest you either:
[a] Setup a FAT32 partition on your linux disk in order that you can
exchange data between windows/linux or
[b] Buy an external hard disk - partitioned as FAT32 to do the same as
[a] [c] Manually swap the drives over - i.e. open the box and change the
plugs everytime until you decide to stay with one OS or the other. This
is very eeasily done and saves alot of time/effort/money and headaches.
[d] reinstall everything, but this time install both OS to the same
drive giving you the boot option as required.
[e] run linux from a live cd until you are ready to make the change -
which for most people is about 30 minutes after they use ubuntu!
[f] run linux from a pen drive to simulate [e] above.
[g] Try the live CD for any linux distro to test drivers etc and kill
windows - just dive in the deep end, you will enjoy the ride!
[h] consider any other ideas offered by anyone else!
hope that helps
j.
Phil Thompson wrote:
Mark Rogers wrote:
I am at current using windows xp media centre.
I have contemplated the switch to ubunto for some time now but
reluctant to
as I use all my accounts and work items on my current OS.
I now have a second hard drive to install in to my PC, and my
question is
can I run win XP on my C\: and alternatively run ubunto on the second
drive.
yes. You can even have them on the same drive if you partition it.
how do I get the option to pick one of the two to use.
will I get a short menu to pick from after post and before the C\:
takes over.
this depends on your BIOS to some extent. I have seen PCs with a "Boot
menu" option after POST where you can just select the relevant HDD. In
other cases popping into the BIOS and flipping the boot order can
achieve the same, though a bit clunky.
If these aren't available or don't appeal then a boot loader installed
on the primary hard disk will give you the option to select which OS
to boot after POST.
If you put "windows boot loader" into Google you'll see several
options including GRUB, LILO, the windows boot loader itself etc.
Phil
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