Barry Smith <[email protected]> writes:

> The most effective tools for "writing documentation, new tutorials, and 
> refining material for hands-on in-person or virtual tutorials" revolve around 
> LLMs.

I disagree strongly with this depiction. It creates text that resembles 
documentation in form, but lacks communicative intent, and is often misleading 
or erroneous. If you're trying to trick a program manager into saying the task 
is complete, and you're confident you won't be held accountable if they 
correctly identify it as slop, this is your tool. Similarly if you're trying to 
make a sale to someone reviewing your website, but who doesn't yet know what 
problem they're solving and doesn't yet have well-formed questions. These uses 
are rooted in deception, and they sacrifice community trust for short-term 
claims of productivity.

While it is true in principle that the output can be edited to be correct, 
holistic assessments show negligible or negative impact if one is accountable 
for maintaining quality standards. When software developers, reporters, or 
lawyers make proud assertions of how much more productive they are, it's very 
often followed by catastrophic failures (private keys in the repository, no 
encryption in the encrypt() function, deleted the customer database, books 
being reviewed do not exist, false quotes attributed to real people, fake court 
cases and mis-citation of real court cases in legal briefs even after being 
reviewed by four lawyers). Not to mention the products have immense negative 
externalities.

I started using PETSc over 20 years ago because it was clear that PETSc was NOT 
merely going through the motions, but genuinely cared about solving real 
problems for real people. It always had rough edges, but the care was evident.

> Ignoring those tools, simply because they have lots of bullshit hypre 
> associated with them, will slow down our ability to improve the 
> documentation, tutorials, and related materials.

This inevitability narrative doesn't stand up to critical scrutiny, nor does 
the assumption that this speeds us up (if our goal is to foster a healthy 
community that provides trustworthy software and documentation to assist real 
people in solving real problems).

I'm a co-author of this position paper examining this topic in the context of 
education. I'll refrain from flooding this thread with citations, but the paper 
discusses inevitability narratives and has extensive citations.

https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17065099__;!!G_uCfscf7eWS!f-0EJ0Ep13ueAczddGV9NBIFjAPn7yoaA-t46TqqIxL9_Bo5q_pmAbs9MkZipOR2ysGcKoVeSrpjKbYgu5Q$
 

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