Hi Bob, pgAdmin III is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT piece of software than pgAdmin 4. I used III for a number of years. I was never thrilled with it, but it did what I needed for me. For example, if I lost my connection to the server either voluntarily or because I closed my laptop, I could not allow the program to reconnect — I had to terminate the command I was trying, close the window and reopen it, else the program would bomb. pgAdmin IV at least does recover quite well from this situation.
pgAdmin 4 is a re-implementation of much of the functionality of pgAdmin III, but in a browser environment rather than a standalone program. It runs a server or daemon in the background on your machine to maintain a connection to the database and feed information to your browser window. Some people like the browser-based implementation, others do not. But it would be a mistake to judge pgAdmin 4 by your experience with pgAdmin III. Jack > On Aug 21, 2020, at 5:50 AM, Rob Richardson <interrob...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > My company relies on PostgreSQL and pgAdmin, as do thousands of other > companies, I'm sure. Since most of our customers have been with us for a > long time and have stable installations, we have not been upgrading them to > the latest PostgreSQL version, and therefore, most of my experience has been > with pgAdmin III. Nonetheless, I have been less than impressed with it. It > freezes or disables commands at random times. Not enough to prevent me from > working, but enough to make me think that the development process has not > been rigorous enough. > > Eventually, I am sure that we will be migrating to modern versions of > PostgreSQL and therefore to pgAdmin 4. I've glanced at it. My initial, > uneducated impression is that changes were made from pgAdmin III for little > reason other than change itself. I would have much preferred to see it keep > the same UI rather than moving to a browser. > > But because PostgreSQL is such a successful database platform, used by > thousands upon thousands of mission-critical applications, it is incumbent on > the developer community to ensure that its administration tool works well, > and that upgrades do not break existing features. If, as you say, we should > not count on the developers of pgAdmin 4 to ensure that upgrades do not break > existing features, then please suggest a professionally developed, > professionally supported alternative that we can pay for and get the quality > assurance that we, as professional developers and users, should expect. > > Rob Richardson > > On Friday, August 21, 2020, 06:51:29 AM EDT, Stephen Knox > <stephenkno...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Gosh, you're right, this does sound very rude. > > I'm not sure where to start with this and I'm a user, not a developer of the > software, so shouldn't be taking this too personally. > > You seem to have misread the licence of the software: > https://github.com/postgres/pgadmin4/blob/master/LICENSE > <https://github.com/postgres/pgadmin4/blob/master/LICENSE>. > > As this is open source software, no one is guaranteeing you anything (why > should they, you didn't pay for it, right?). What they are guaranteeing you > is that the code is open for you to view and change if you so desire (given > certain conditions). There is a likelihood that other people will come and > fix and bugs, create new features, but that is not a given, nor should it be. > > If it is really "mission-critical software" then sitting around ranting in a > mailing list is not going to help you. If you are experiencing these issues > (personally I have had very few issues with the software, so can't help you > there). You need to do one of: > > - Ask politely if anyone can help, file bugs properly on the bug tracker by > stating your system environment, steps to reproduce etc. Note, this email > does not meet the politeness criterion > - Obtain the skills yourself to fix your own issues, and ideally contribute > those back to the project > - Pay someone as a one off to fix the bugs you are experiencing or an ongoing > maintenance-type contract > > I'm afraid your message just comes off as entitled, uninformed, and yes, rude. > > Stephen Knox > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 11:23 AM <tutilu...@tutanota.com > <mailto:tutilu...@tutanota.com>> wrote: > pgAdmin v4.25 has yet again broken something. After being harassed to upgrade > to the latest version, pgAdmin has stopped opening itself properly. > > It no longer opens in the correct Pale Moon profile. It now opens in the > *default* profile, which completely breaks everything. I've previously tried > to explain how important it is for pgAdmin to have its own dedicated > GUI/"webview", so I'm not going to go into details about why this is so > important here. It seems to fall on deaf ears either way. > >
