On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:19:12 -0500
Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Steve Holdoway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > You can be absolutely certain that the tar backup of a file that's changed 
> > is a complete waste of time. Because it changed while you were copying it. 
> 
> That is, no doubt, the reasoning that prompted the gnu tar people to
> make it do what it does, but it has zero to do with reality for
> Postgres' usage in PITR base backups.  What we care about is consistency
> on the page level: as long as each page of the backed-up file correctly
> represents *some* state of that page while the backup was in progress,
> everything is okay, because replay of the WAL log will correct any pages
> that are out-of-date, missing, or shouldn't be there at all.  And
> Postgres always writes whole pages.  So as long as write() and read()
> are atomic --- which is the case on all Unixen I know of --- everything
> works.
> 
> (Thinks for a bit...) Actually I guess there's one extra assumption in
> there, which is that tar must issue its reads in multiples of our page
> size.  But that doesn't seem like much of a stretch.
> 
>                       regards, tom lane

That's OK for the WAL logs, but what about the initial archive - the recovery's 
got to start somewhere... 

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