Hi,

Thanks for the suggestions. I found the following details to our autovacuum 
(see below). The related toast-table of my table shows some logs related the 
vacuum. This toast seems to consume all the data (27544451 pages * 8kb ≈ 210GB )

Any thoughts on this?

Best regards,
Manuel

Autovacuum details

Details from pg_stat_all_tables:
{
    "analyze_count": 0,
    "autoanalyze_count": 11,
    "autovacuum_count": 60,
    "idx_scan": 1925218,
    "idx_tup_fetch": 1836820,
    "last_analyze": null,
    "last_autoanalyze": "2024-06-19T09:39:50.680818+00:00",
    "last_autovacuum": "2024-06-19T09:41:50.58592+00:00",
    "last_vacuum": null,
    "n_dead_tup": 120,
    "n_live_tup": 9004,
   "n_mod_since_analyze": 474,
    "n_tup_del": 84,
    "n_tup_hot_upd": 5,
    "n_tup_ins": 118,
    "n_tup_upd": 15180,
    "relid": "27236",
    "relname": "my_tablename",
    "schemaname": "public",
    "seq_scan": 2370,
    "seq_tup_read": 18403231,
    "vacuum_count": 0
}

From the server logs, I found autocacuum details for my toast table 
(pg_toast_27236):
{
    "category": "PostgreSQLLogs",
    "operationName": "LogEvent",
    "properties": {
        "errorLevel": "LOG",
        "message": "2024-06-19 17:45:02 UTC-66731911.22f2-LOG:  automatic 
vacuum of table 
\"0ecf0241-aab3-45d5-b020-e586364f810c.pg_toast.pg_toast_27236\":
              index scans: 1
                                         pages: 0 removed, 27544451 remain, 0 
skipped due to pins, 27406469 skipped frozen
                                         tuples: 9380 removed, 819294 remain, 0 
are dead but not yet removable, oldest xmin: 654973054
                                         buffer usage: 318308 hits, 311886 
misses, 2708 dirtied
                                         avg read rate: 183.934 MB/s, avg write 
rate: 1.597 MB/s
                                         system usage: CPU: user: 1.47 s, 
system: 1.43 s, elapsed: 13.24 s",
        "processId": 8946,
        "sqlerrcode": "00000",
        "timestamp": "2024-06-19 17:45:02.564 UTC"
    },
    "time": "2024-06-19T17:45:02.568Z"
}

Best regards,
Manuel

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Στις 20/6/24 19:46, ο/η Shenavai, Manuel έγραψε:
Hi everyone,

we can see in our database, that the DB is 200GB of size, with 99% bloat. After 
vacuum full the DB decreases to 2GB.
DB total size: 200GB
DB bloat: 198 GB
DB non-bloat: 2GB

We further see, that during bulk updates (i.e. a long running transaction), the 
DB is still growing, i.e. the size of the DB growth by +20GB after the bulk 
updates.

My assumption is, that after an autovacuum, the 99% bloat should be available 
for usage again. But the DB size would stay at 200GB. In our case, I would only 
expect a growth of the DB, if the bulk-updates exceed the current DB size (i.e. 
220 GB).

How could I verify my assumption?

I think of two possibilities:

  1.  My assumption is wrong and for some reason the dead tuples are not 
cleaned so that the space cannot be reused
  2.  The bulk-update indeed exceeds the current DB size. (Then the growth is 
expected).


Your only assumption should be the official manual, and other material such as 
books, articles from reputable sources, even reading the source as a last 
resort could be considered.

For starters : do you have autovacuum enabled ? If not, then enable this.

Then monitor for vacuum via pg_stat_user_tables, locate the tables that you 
would expect vacuum to have happened but did not, then consider autovacuum 
tuning.

Watch the logs for lines such as :

<N> dead row

versions cannot be removed yet, oldest xmin: <some xid>

those

are held from being marked as removed, due to being visible by long running 
transactions. Monitor for those transactions.

You

have to monitor (if this is the case) about autovacuum being killed and not 
allowed to do its job.

Can you help me to verify these assumptions? Are there any statistics available 
that could help me with my verification?

Thanks in advance &
Best regards,
Manuel

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