Please, behave nice and stick to the subject. Mailing list is not the place for this kind of talk.
Sincerely, Dusan On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Fernando Pianegiani < fernando.pianegi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear David, Nicklas, > > I think that this is not the right place where to discuss about this topic, > but I have to try to give you an answer. > > PostgreSQL is not only open source, like MySQL is, but also free. This > means that people who don't develop neither a line of code of PostgreSQL (or > just some few lines of it) can use it to do what they want, even money, > without having the obligation to provide back 1 cent to the PostgreSQL > community. That's incredible I know, but it is so. And why? I don't know > exactly, but I know that there are several reasons that are not very > "transparent". I can try to give my interpretation hopping that it is the > real one or in any case thinking that it should be the correct one. If > people who develop PostgreSQL make it free, people who don't develop > PostgreSQL but who use it for their research projects or business can make > available the results of their projects also to the developers of > PostgreSQL, but overall to the worldwide community. And so, in case for > example a developer of PostgreSQL or any other person should have a health > problem, he can hope that his hospital uses the results of a research > project got also with the help of PostgreSQL or of some other free > technology. > > I think the previous one is the philosophy that should be behind the words > "open source" and "free". In all the other cases there are in my opinion > interests that should be better clarified. > > If we do something for free for other people, then they can do something > for other people using for free our results, and so on...the alternatives > are under our eyes, that is the jungle of the market and the worldwide > crisis. So David, don't worry for my activity of research, instead you > should be seriously preoccupied if you do business. Moreover, the fact that > my project ended could be in case an additional problem for both of us and > not only if we should have problems of health strictly inherent to the > results of research coming from a possible development of my old project. > Obviously, I hope no for all of us. :-) > > David, Nicklas, if you make money by using PostgreSQL and you want to be > really honest (as you claim honesty from me and from my work activity), > please count that money and give the right percentage of it to the > PostgreSQL community, but considering also who spent more time, resources > like electric power, computer hardware, etc. than the others in developing > it. In this way if you develop PostgreSQL, then you too can get your right > percentage from you and from the other developers. > > Dear Scott, Niklas, you are right, the components and the resources > necessary to manufacture the solutions developed within the arduino project > are not for free. Only the schematics, the gerbers, etc. are for free. > > Finally, the world is full of companies that make available for free their > hardware/software/human resources. Probably also you use them every day for > free (e.g., the media in general) or you store your data for free in part of > those resources (facebook, youtube, just to do general examples), but those > resources are not really "for free", those companies find the way to gain a > lot of money with the fact that you access to their resources. > > In any case, excuse me if I have hurted your's feelings. My intention was > not to ask for a free hosting platform (free stuff, etc.) to the PostgreSQL > community, but I simply asked if the community knows anybody who provides a > service of free hosting, supposing that in some way the provider of that > hosting service would have earned his right income from me in some way (e.g. > a banner installed on my PC or other similar business). Fortunately up to > now I have never asked for charity dear David and I hope to have not to do > it in the future. > > Have a good dinner! > > Fernando > > > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 5:35 PM, David Johnston <pol...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Since this thread is already top-post... >> >> One of the reasons software can be "free" is because people are able to >> make money doing things like hosting and consulting. >> >> If you are looking for charity because you are poor, or what you want to >> do has little commercial value, you would be wise to propose what it is you >> want to actually accomplish and the specific resources you likely need. >> Showing effort on your part will project professionalism as opposed to the >> free-loader personality that you show when you simply ask for free stuff. >> Simply pointing out that you need to eat as the reason why you need free >> hosting makes you look foolish. The fact that you cross-posted projects >> disrespect for the very communities providing the "free" stuff you want to >> use. >> >> I'm sorry your research GRANT expired but you should focus on either >> obtaining a new grant or how to earn a regular income. If you are starting >> your own business the reality is that you need funds as opposed to free >> hosting. Funds will get you both physical (hosting) services and access to >> expertise. >> >> That is all the personal/professional advice I'm am willing to give right >> now; I need to go fix myself lunch. >> >> David J. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 6, 2011, at 9:49, Fernando Pianegiani < >> fernando.pianegi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thak you Antonio. >> >> After open source for the software, we will wait for open resource for the >> hardware (this is just a first example <http://www.arduino.cc/> >> http://www.arduino.cc/, even if of different nature). >> >> I need to eat too, for this reason I cannot pay for an hosting platform >> after that my funded research project ended. >> >> Fernando >> >> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Antonio Goméz Soto >> <<antonio.gomez.s...@gmail.com> >> antonio.gomez.s...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Well, >>> >>> I am from the hosting business, and can assure you, what you are looking >>> for does not exist. >>> This configuration requires specialists on the provider side, which are >>> expensive. They >>> need to eat too. >>> >>> And history teaches, that even if it would exist, you should not put >>> anything meaningful on it, >>> because they surely will go out of business soon. >>> >>> Antonio. >>> >>> >>> Op 06-08-11 10:02, Fernando Pianegiani schreef: >>> >>> Hello, >>>> >>>> do you know any FREE hosting platforms where PostgreSQL, Java SDK, >>>> Tomcat (or other web servers) can be already found installed or where they >>>> can be installed from scratch? In possible, it would be better if the >>>> PostgreSQL be directly accessible by my >>>> servlet, without any web service/PHP script in the middle. >>>> >>>> Thank you very much in advance. >>>> >>>> Kind regards. >>>> >>>> Fernando Pianegiani >>>> >>> >>> >
