On 5 February 2013 11:15, Andreas Joseph Krogh <andr...@officenet.no> wrote:

> På tirsdag 05. februar 2013 kl. 11:04:27, skrev Thomas Kellerer <
> spam_ea...@gmx.net>:
>
> Andreas Joseph Krogh, 05.02.2013 10:57:
> > The value of having NOT NULL deferrable is, well, to not check for
> > NULL until the tx commits. When working with ORMs this often is the
> > case, especially with circular FKs.
>
> With circular FKs it's enough to define the FK constraint as deferred.
>
>
> I meant; circular FKs which are also NOT NULL
>

 If you would use that, every pair of circular inserts would require 2
inserts and an update (=insert & delete in MVCC):

1; insert node 1 with FK null,
2; insert node 2 referencing node1,
3; update node 1 with FK to node 2.

OTOH, when you decide the FK from node 1 to node 2 before inserting node 1
and have the FK constraint(s) deferrable, then you only need to insert both
records:

1; decide FK key from node 1 to node 2,
2; insert node 1 referencing node 2,
3; insert node 2 referencing node 1

This case typically only occurs when you're using surrogate keys, but even
in that case you can select nextval(...).

The deferred FK approach has the benefit that you don't create 3 copies of
the record for node 1, so table and index bloat will be less.
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