I don't know about others. 

But this whole thread has completely gone off the original track. With so many 
splinter topics. It has no hope of ever completing with any kind of resolution 
satisfying even 10% of contributors. 

Can be please stick to the core original topics? Whether we agree with them or 
not doesn't matter but let's have some direction and closure so we can all move 
on and new ideas can be formed and be discussed. 

Thank you all. 




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