Hi Tom, hi Ludwig,

Thanks for your support. Yes, this query has grown very big with time, and I 
was always asked to add exceptions in it, so the result is quite frightening!


>>> TOM: If you try setting enable_bitmapscan off, 
>>> you'll probably find 8.1 beating 7.4 handily for this query.

Correct. I had 239 seconds on the old 7.4 server, and I get 189 seconds with 
"enable_bitmapscan = off".


>>> LUDWIG: What about adding an index to the field 
>>> etapes_lignes_commandes(code_etape)

I have this index already.


>>> LUDWIG: What about increasing the settings of work_mem?

default work_mem = 1024  ==>  511 seconds
work_mem         = 2048  ==>  531 seconds


>>> TOM: Am I right in guessing that your database is small 
>>> enough to fit into RAM on the new server?

select pg_database_size('groupefpdb');

returns "360428168"

That's 360 MB. It fits in RAM, correct!

>>> TOM: If so, it would be reasonable to reduce random_page_cost, 
>>> perhaps all the way to 1.0, and this would probably improve 
>>> the quality of the planner's choices for you.

With that change I get results in 193 seconds.


>>> TOM: What might work better is to get rid of the indexes 
>>> w_code_type_workflow and lw_ordre --- do you have any 
>>> queries where those are actually useful?

Yes, I think I do, but let's try:

Drop both indexes
VACUUM FREEZE ANALYZE
ANALYZE

I get the results in 199 seconds.


>>> TOM: Another thing you should look at is increasing the 
>>> cpu-cost parameters.  The numbers in your EXPLAIN ANALYZE 
>>> results suggest that on your new machine the cost of 
>>> processing an index tuple is about 1/50th of the cost of 
>>> touching an index page; that is, you ought to have 
>>> cpu_index_tuple_cost plus cpu_operator_cost around 0.02.  
>>> I'd try setting each of them to 0.01 and increasing 
>>> cpu_tuple_cost a little bit, maybe to 0.02.

cpu_index_tuple_cost = 0.01
cpu_operator_cost = 0.01
cpu_tuple_cost = 0.02

With these change, plus random_page_cost = 1, I get results in 195 seconds.

(Yes, I did restart the server!)

The new EXPLAIN ANALYSE at this point is here:

Postgresql 8.1.4 with tuning: http://www.attiksystem.ch/explain_analyze_81_2.txt

The old EXPLAIN ANALYZE are still here:

Postgresql 7.4.5: http://www.attiksystem.ch/explain_analyze_74.txt
Postgresql 8.1.4 without tuning: 
http://www.attiksystem.ch/explain_analyze_81.txt






Is there maybe something I could tune further on the kernel side? I get only 20 
% improvements with the new server with Linux, compared to the workstation with 
freebsd... Maybe my query is so CPU-bound that the most important thing is the 
CPU clock speed, and in both cases I have a single 3Ghz CPU to run the query? 
What do you think?


Philippe


-----Message d'origine-----
De : Tom Lane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Envoyé : mercredi, 31. mai 2006 18:21
À : Philippe Lang
Cc : pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Objet : Re: [GENERAL] PGSQL 7.4 -> 8.1 migration & performance problem 

"Philippe Lang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Here are both EXPLAIN ANALYSE results, plus the query itself:
> Postgresql 7.4.5: http://www.attiksystem.ch/explain_analyze_74.txt
> Postgresql 8.1.4: http://www.attiksystem.ch/explain_analyze_81.txt
> Query is here: http://www.attiksystem.ch/big_query.txt

My goodness, that is one big ugly query :-(

Trawling through the EXPLAIN ANALYZE results, it seems that the lossage comes 
from the repeated occurrences of this pattern:

    SELECT travaux_en_cours_mvu FROM lignes_workflows AS lw
    INNER JOIN workflows AS w
    ON lw.id_workflow = w.id
    WHERE w.code_article = lignes_commandes.code_article
    AND w.code_type_workflow = commandes.code_type_workflow
    AND SUBSTRING(lw.code_etape FROM 1 FOR 3) = 
SUBSTRING(etapes_lignes_commandes.code_etape FROM 1 FOR 3)
    AND lw.ordre = etapes_lignes_commandes.ordre

7.4 is doing this as

  ->  Nested Loop  (cost=0.00..37.28 rows=1 width=8) (actual time=0.056..0.087 
rows=1 loops=13653)
        ->  Index Scan using w_code_article on workflows w  (cost=0.00..15.76 
rows=1 width=4) (actual time=0.016..0.024 rows=1 loops=13653)
              Index Cond: (code_article = $1)
              Filter: (code_type_workflow = $2)
        ->  Index Scan using lw_id_workflow on lignes_workflows lw  
(cost=0.00..21.51 rows=1 width=12) (actual time=0.023..0.036 rows=1 loops=13651)
              Index Cond: (lw.id_workflow = "outer".id)
              Filter: (("substring"((code_etape)::text, 1, 3) = 
"substring"(($3)::text, 1, 3)) AND (ordre = $4))

8.1 is doing

  ->  Nested Loop  (cost=18.93..26.84 rows=1 width=8) (actual time=0.431..0.434 
rows=1 loops=13630)
        ->  Bitmap Heap Scan on workflows w  (cost=6.63..10.51 rows=1 width=4) 
(actual time=0.107..0.107 rows=1 loops=13630)
              Recheck Cond: ((code_article = $1) AND (code_type_workflow = $2))
              ->  BitmapAnd  (cost=6.63..6.63 rows=1 width=0) (actual 
time=0.104..0.104 rows=0 loops=13630)
                    ->  Bitmap Index Scan on w_code_article  (cost=0.00..2.02 
rows=5 width=0) (actual time=0.017..0.017 rows=5 loops=13630)
                          Index Cond: (code_article = $1)
                    ->  Bitmap Index Scan on w_code_type_workflow  
(cost=0.00..4.36 rows=389 width=0) (actual time=0.083..0.083 rows=390 
loops=13628)
                          Index Cond: (code_type_workflow = $2)
        ->  Bitmap Heap Scan on lignes_workflows lw  (cost=12.30..16.31 rows=1 
width=12) (actual time=0.312..0.313 rows=1 loops=13628)
              Recheck Cond: ((lw.id_workflow = "outer".id) AND (lw.ordre = $4))
              Filter: ("substring"((code_etape)::text, 1, 3) = 
"substring"(($3)::text, 1, 3))
              ->  BitmapAnd  (cost=12.30..12.30 rows=1 width=0) (actual 
time=0.306..0.306 rows=0 loops=13628)
                    ->  Bitmap Index Scan on lw_id_workflow  (cost=0.00..2.02 
rows=7 width=0) (actual time=0.009..0.009 rows=7 loops=13628)
                          Index Cond: (lw.id_workflow = "outer".id)
                    ->  Bitmap Index Scan on lw_ordre  (cost=0.00..10.03 
rows=1437 width=0) (actual time=0.293..0.293 rows=1714 loops=13628)
                          Index Cond: (ordre = $4)

In the parts of the plan that do not depend on workflows/lignes_workflows 
joins, 8.1 is consistently beating 7.4.

So basically 8.1 is being too optimistic about the value of ANDing multiple 
indexes.  If you try setting enable_bitmapscan off, you'll probably find 8.1 
beating 7.4 handily for this query.  That's a really blunt-instrument solution 
of course, and I wouldn't recommend it for production because it'll probably 
kill performance elsewhere.  What might work better is to get rid of the 
indexes w_code_type_workflow and lw_ordre --- do you have any queries where 
those are actually useful?

Meanwhile, I think I'm going to have to take another look at the bitmap cost 
estimates ... it shouldn't be bothering to AND a 7-row result with a 1437-row 
result, even if that does save six trips to the heap.

                        regards, tom lane

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