Hi, On 2024-06-10 16:46:56 -0400, Andrew Dunstan wrote: > > On 2024-06-10 Mo 16:04, Andres Freund wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > Just for context for the rest the email: I think we desperately need to move > > off perl for tests. The infrastructure around our testing is basically > > unmaintained and just about nobody that started doing dev stuff in the last > > 10 > > years learned perl.
> Andres, > > I get that you don't like perl. I indeed don't particularly like perl - but that's really not the main issue. I've already learned [some of] it. What is the main issue is that I've also watched several newer folks try to write tests in it, and it was not pretty. > But it's hard for me to take this terribly seriously. "desperately" seems > like massive overstatement at best. Shrug. > As for what up and coming developers learn, they mostly don't learn C > either, and that's far more critical to what we do. C is a a lot more useful to to them than perl. And it's actually far more widely known these days than perl. C does teach you some reasonably low-level-ish understanding of hardware. There are gazillions of programs written in C that we'll have to maintain for decades. I don't think that's comparably true for perl. > I'm not sure what part of the testing infrastructure you think is > unmaintained. For example, the last release of Test::Simple was all the way > back on April 25. IPC::Run is quite buggy and basically just maintained by Noah these days. Greetings, Andres Freund
