Hello,

> On Oct 10, 2023, at 02:08, Andres Freund <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've mentioned this to a few people before, but forgot to start an actual
> thread. So here we go:
> 
> I think we should lower the default wal_blocksize / XLOG_BLCKSZ to 4096, from
> the current 8192.

I prepared a patch in case we want to move with the default 4kb XLOG_BLCKSZ.

Regarding reducing the page headers' size, the benefits of 4Kb wal_blocks
outweight disadvantages of the proportionally bigger header in my opinion.
Since we recycle WAL segments, the added size won't go to the disk usage but
rather cause a bit more freqent segment. And maybe this is what is also worth
looking at regarding XLOG_BLCKSZ. I wanted to look into WAL segments
preallocation after an off-the-list conversation with Andres anyway. But the
added overhead is not that significant. 


> One thing I noticed is that our auto-configuration of wal_buffers leads to
> different wal_buffers settings for different XLOG_BLCKSZ, which doesn't seem
> great.

I don't think it's an issue as wal_buffers are in block units, not bytes. Even
though the auto-tuned number may change, the total amount of bytes still remains
the same with different XLOG_BLCKSZ.


> For some example numbers, I ran a very simple insert workload with a varying
> number of clients with both a wal_blocksize=4096 and wal_blocksize=8192
> cluster, and measured the amount of bytes written before/after.

I've also run some simple tests on my local machine (Ubuntu in Vagrant on M1
Mac). I run a sysbench write-only load for 20s with different amounts of threads
(and tables equal to the number of threads num) and measured disk writes with
iostat. I recreated tables and did a checkpoint before each run. These are my
results:

8Kb XLOG_BLCKSZ
====
Threads          tps        kB_wrtn
1             535.34         207288
5            1457.24         591708
10           1441.85         574700
15            823.98         388732

4Kb XLOG_BLCKSZ
====
Threads          tps        kB_wrtn
1             542.02         153544
5            1556.83         393444
10           1288.00         339648
15            975.32         255708

I will run more benchmarks on proper hardware. For example, interesting what 
happens to performance with >4K writes. But what else do you think has to be
done to move this patch forward?


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Cheers,
Andy



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