On 1/27/2006 10:56 AM, Tom Lane wrote:

Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Tom Lane wrote:
I think this is unquestionably
a bug, at least for autovacuum's purposes --- though it might be OK
for the original intent of the stats system, which was simply to track
activity levels.

Any thoughts about how it ought to work?

I don't remember exactly how it works -- I think the activity (insert,
update, delete) counters are kept separately from commit/rollback
status, right?  Maybe we should keep three separate counters: "current
transaction counters" and "counters for transactions that were
aborted/committed".  We only send the latter counts, and the former are
added to them when the transaction ends.

My question was at a higher level, actually: *what* should we be
counting?

I think doubling the number of counters in the stats system, which is
what you seem to be proposing, is probably not acceptable --- we've
already got a problem with the stats file becoming unreasonably bulky.
We need to figure out exactly which counts there is adequate reason
to be tracking.

I don't, for instance, see any percentage in tracking block-level I/O
operations separately for committed and rolled-back transactions.
Those numbers are certainly things you watch only for total activity,
and a failed xact is just as much system load as a committed one.

Right.

The problem is that different questions need different counting semantics. If one looks at an application profile, he wants to know how many inserts, updates and deletes the app has issued, probably regardless of the final transaction outcome. But for autovac he wants to be able to figure out how many dead tuples there would be, so for that purpose inserts in a rolled back xact would count as ins+del where deletes would not count at all.


Jan

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