On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 05:19:45PM -0500, Theo Schlossnagle wrote: > > On Jan 23, 2007, at 5:14 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > >>Get a CCIE and tell me that again :-) When you are handed a > >>complicated network of routers and switches running all sorts of > >>version of IOS and CatOS and you go to lunch, they break it and > >>you have a certain time allotment to fix it all. > >> > >>Most certifications are not simple multiple choice quizes. Just > >>the ones you hear about -- the ones that suck. > >> > >>>I think seeing relevant training courses + experience on a CV > >>>trumps certification anytime - unfortunately a lot of folks out > >>>there are mesmerized by shiny certificates.... > >> > >>Sure. But experience is very hard to get. And since people with > >>PostgreSQL experience are limited, companies adopting it need a > >>good second option -- certified people. > > > >They aren't limited, just all employed ;) > > I can't find 500, let alone 1000, people with extensive postgresql > experience in an enterprise environment. Oracle has an order of > magnitude more. MySQL even has better numbers than postgres in this > arena. If you only want to hire people with extensive experience, > you're exposing yourself to an enormous business risk by adopting > postgres. You'd have to hire out to a consulting company and if too > many do that, the consulting company will have scaling issues (as > all do). > > The upside of Oracle is that I can hire out to a consulting company > for some things (particularly challenging scale or recovery issues) > and get someone who knows their way around Oracle reasonably well > (has performed _real_ disaster recovery in a hands on fashion, > performed hands-on query tuning, database sizing exercises, etc.) by > simply finding someone who is Oracle certified (all of those things > are part of the Oracle certification process). Granted, just > because someone is certified doesn't mean they "fit" or will excel > at the problems you give them -- it's just a nice lower bar. > Granted you can make a name for yourself as an expert without > getting a certification, but if you've made a name for yourself, > you aren't likely to be on the job market -- which is really my > point. Oracle's certification programs have helped Oracle > considerably in gaining the number of Oracle professionals in the > job market. PostgreSQL certification has the opportunity to do the > same and in doing so increase overall PostgreSQL adoption. That's > a good thing.
When you're getting this together, by all means let me know so I can trumpet it all over the PostgreSQL Weekly News :) Cheers, D -- David Fetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote! ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly