> > I strongly disagree on Morphic, personally I love using it. It can be > cleaner but still beats any other GUI I have used in terms of ease of use > without sacrificing power. Spec on the other hand looks ugly to me , weird > and very difficult to understand. But maybe its just my opinion and how my > brain is wired. Afterall Spec has been very popular with Pharo devs so > definitely is something I keep a close eye on . I really hope Morphic does > not get removed, at least continue to be distributed as third party > library.Though thats is unlikely with all the hard work of cleaning it up. >
Morphic and Spec address different concerns. Building a UI with Morphic alone is what one would use to do something very custom (like a game for example). Now, creating a larger UI that way is definitely going to be super pain in the assets. That's where Spec does fit. Of course at this point in time, the underlying Morphic widgets are quite complicated and sometimes behave in strange ways (try right clicks on the dev tools in unexpected areas...). It takes a while to get used to but it works well. http://spec.st/docs/home/ I also wouldn't want Morphic to be removed, but definitely would like to see it cleaned up in some areas. What I am not sure about is how much of an external library we will depend on. One key thing in Morphic is that one can learn a lot by looking inside (and solve problems), something which will maybe not be there with a new version. Phil > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Alain Rastoul <[email protected]> wrote: > >> +1 for the GTInspector, and the Moose tools/paradigm too (Roassal, >> Glamour, Moose and others), all that stuff is great step forward and could >> arouse interest from doubtful people. >> I remember myself failing to show some collegues at work how the >> smalltalk system could be a cool tool to play with, even for people >> sticking on dotNet, Delphi or C++. >> And sometimes they remember that too ... >> (Smalltalk? Squeak? -at that time- that blinking and poping toy ? hahaha >> ...) >> :( >> Still working on that like a flea (?- a morpion) >> >> Morphic removed is good news - clumsy, buggy and weird - but I don't >> understand the relationship with GTInspector ? >> I googled about that and just found a post of you about Bloc in the >> mailing list, it sounds like a good idea, and I'm sure you'll manage to do >> it cleanly, but I'm also very curious about that: big bang or dependency >> injection and small steps? other patterns, techniques ? a link on Bloc ? >> I'm also curious about Spec and it's status after it's change to GPL ? >> Will it be supported in the future ? What are the alternatives ? >> >> I understand that you are very busy, so no problem if there is no link on >> existing material, I should survive, >> just wait a little :) >> >> TIA >> >> >> Regards >> >> Alain >> >> Le 24/08/2014 08:03, stepharo a écrit : >> >> >>> On 24/8/14 05:39, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >>> >>>> I see GTInspector as a big splash. I guess that if there would be a >>>> Tool Roadmap, it would be focused on GTInspector. >>>> >>> >>> Not necessarily. >>> No time to explain sorry but else I would not improve morphic because >>> bloc is coming and parallel actions are important. >>> >>> Stef >>> >> >> >> >> >> >
