> Am 11.04.2019 um 21:35 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck <marianop...@gmail.com>: > > > >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 10:54 AM Norbert Hartl <norb...@hartl.name> wrote: >> >> >>> Am 11.04.2019 um 15:29 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck >>> <marianop...@gmail.com>: >>> >>> Hi Esteban, >>> >>> We talk this privately a couple of weeks ago, but I thought it was worth >>> writing again here. As for other IDE's being enjoyable, I can only talk >>> about VASmalltalk. If there is ONE thing I enjoy from it, is the stability. >>> May be ugly, may be too-windows, may be full of menus you don't understand >>> what they do, but it's really rock solid. >>> Pharo has been doing a LOT of progress on so many areas and its expected to >>> decrease a bit on stability. Unless you are Oracle and can hire 100 >>> engineers. >>> So, my small recommendation to you back then was to make at least ONE >>> release (called LTS or whatever) were you just focus on stability and bugs. >>> No new features. No new framework. Just stability. Make it rock solid. Then >>> after that release, you can keep moving forward, but that would give >>> companies and really really stable Pharo to rely on. >>> >> For the provision of an LTS version we need more engineers. If there are >> enough companies that need a rock solid stable version then the consortium >> will have enough money to hire engineers for that. > > Well, either that or convince the community that that is a good thing. > Obviously, when you don't pay for that and things come for free it's > understandable you can't decide on what type of effort/results you get. And > for almost all of us, is much way more cool to provide a new framework, a new > tool, etc than bug fixing and testing. > Yes and it is ok it is that way. Peope spend their time and want to do something fun not the boring part. There might be projects which developed a culture of providing that as a value. But a general rule for open source work is „Either it is fun or it needs to be paid“. I cannot see anything wrong with that. And I if try to think about an LTS version that is not backed up by a company I cannot come up with one quickly. And when we discuss this topic I want to have a clearer definition of terms. To me there are „stability“ and „stand-still“ mixed in the readings. Pharo provides quite a good stability while its moving. And that is IMHO the only way it can work. And yet there is a place for an LTS. But who uses the new version then? How can you ever move because people just using the „stagnated“ version?
Norbert > >> I would put a virtual machine that we can control much higher on the list of >> things we should have. >> >> Norbert >> >>> Best, >>> >>> -- >>> Mariano Martinez Peck >>> Email: marianop...@gmail.com >>> Twitter: @MartinezPeck >>> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariano-mart%C3%ADnez-peck/ > > > -- > Mariano Martinez Peck > Email: marianop...@gmail.com > Twitter: @MartinezPeck > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariano-mart%C3%ADnez-peck/
