Hi benoit I’m abrupt and I know it and I did it conciously. Of course we can let it go and add more filters to trash emails or refuse :)
I suggested to the board to create a list Pharo-chat where people can chat if they need and i will not be in the mailing-list. And that we focus pharo-users around pharo. I care that we can discuss about pharo and help people around. People may ask themselves why few people from the core team reply to emails in the users mailing-list? To me this important to have a medium where excellent and busy people can take from their time to help and welcome community and newcomers and exchange on added value for pharo users. S. > On 30 Jan 2020, at 19:56, Benoit St-Jean <bstj...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Nobody said we were against such a mailing list! But, just as you, there are > topics I skip on the mailing list. No harm done, quick & easy to do! > > But one should never refrain from talking about other Smalltalk environments > on a Smalltalk/Pharo list : if VisualAge, or VisualWorks, or Dolphin, or > Squeak, or ObjectStudio, or VSE or any other Smalltalk can inspire us to make > Pharo better, I don't think that saying "Dolphin really has a great look & > feel for Windows app" is equivalent to saying "VisualWorks sucks" or "Pharo > is crap" ! I could talk for hours at what those Smalltalk products rock. I > could also talk for hours at what those Smalltalk products suck. I could talk > for hours about why product X is better that product Y for job Z. That > doesn't mean one product is crap and the other one is perfect! Every > Smalltalk product has strengths and weaknesses. Why shouldn't we be inspired > by great features of other products that Pharo doesn't yet have? Criticism > of Pharo (or praise of other products) doesn't mean we hate or despise Pharo! > It just means that we care. And that we can make it better! > > Also, inevitably you'll have non-Pharo & non-Smalltalk related topics > sometimes popping up on the mailing list. Am I interested by digital image > formats? Nope. So if I see a thread about someone who wants to develop a > library to read the FITS format (Flexible Image Transport System, used in > astronomy mainly), chances are we'll see posts about astronomy & FITS for 2-3 > days. I don't mind since, in the end, it still is Smalltalk-related! > > On the topic of "Why is [insert your favorite non-Smalltalk programming > language here] better than Smalltalk/Pharo?", I gave up that kind of > discussion years ago... And on the rare occasions when I have it, I have it > in private. You'll always find a moron who thinks GW-BASIC + DOS 4.1 + dBase > is the way to go. I don't waste time with those people anymore! lol > > On 2020-01-30 07:40, ducasse wrote: >> You see this is several times that I gently ask if we can move on. >> And regularly we get the same. >> >> So I can also live pharo-dev. >> At the end of the day we cannot have the cake and eat it too. >> >> So you can consider that I’m an asshole. I’m probably that. >> Now I’m super super fedup to have to jump over some thread. >> I quit newsgroups in the past because of that. I quit Pharo-users because of >> that. >> >> When I want to read about X Z Y and this is not related to Pharo then I >> google the Web. >> >> S. >> >> >>> On 30 Jan 2020, at 12:05, Benoit St-Jean <bstj...@yahoo.com >>> <mailto:bstj...@yahoo.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Benoit St-Jean <bstj...@yahoo.com <mailto:bstj...@yahoo.com>> >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo4pharo mailing-list announce >>> Date: 30 January 2020 at 12:05:38 CET >>> To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> >>> >>> >>> Wow! >>> >>> That post on Pharo Weekly ( >>> https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2020/01/30/ann-pharo-4-pharo-mailing-list/ >>> >>> <https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2020/01/30/ann-pharo-4-pharo-mailing-list/> >>> ) really sets a great welcoming ambiance for any newcomer interested by >>> Pharo who'll read that or who'll stumble on it by accident while googling >>> "Pharo+mailing+list" ! >>> >>> #Not #Fail #WorstAdvertisingEver >>> >>> Please, take 30 seconds to remove that crap before too many people read >>> it... >>> >>> P.S. it's one thing to express yourself like that on a mailing list, it's >>> another one to put it upfront on a blog... >>> >>> On 2020-01-30 02:33, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> Tired of boring and dull discussions about the past? >>>> Tired and bored about the fact that the discussions are not about Pharo >>>> but about X, Z, K? >>>> Want to get in touch with other real pharo users? >>>> Want to have positive and nice discussions about Pharo? >>>> >>>> This mailing-list is for you >>>> >>>> https://lists.gforge.inria.fr/mailman/listinfo/lse-pharo4pharo >>>> <https://lists.gforge.inria.fr/mailman/listinfo/lse-pharo4pharo> >>>> >>>> I created a new mailing-list for Pharo 4 Pharo. >>>> The idea of this new mailing-list is to exchange between Pharo users on >>>> Pharo. >>>> >>>> If you want to talk about the weather and other cool fishing practices or >>>> how other languages are super cool, >>>> then you should use another mailing-list. >>>> >>>> You can consider that I’m >>>> [ ] an asshole >>>> [ ] an arrogant idiot >>>> [ ] other >>>> This is not my concern. >>>> >>>> My concern is: can we respect Pharo and users of Pharo that want to share >>>> what they are doing >>>> and ask questions about their language? >>>> >>>> If you join this mailing-list be warned that I (yes me the benevolent >>>> dictator of Pharo) will remove you from the mailing-list >>>> when you get on my nerves. >>>> >>>> If you do not like it, do not like me, do not appreciate it, do not join! >>>> >>>> S. >>>> >>>> BTW they are plenty of newsgroups about Smalltalk and you can join there. >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> Stéphane Ducasse >>>> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / >>>> http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >>>> 03 59 35 87 52 >>>> Assistant: Julie Jonas >>>> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >>>> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >>>> S. Ducasse - Inria >>>> 40, avenue Halley, >>>> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >>>> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >>>> France >>>> >>> -- >>> ----------------- >>> Benoît St-Jean >>> Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean >>> Twitter: @BenLeChialeux >>> Pinterest: benoitstjean >>> Instagram: Chef_Benito >>> IRC: lamneth >>> GitHub: bstjean >>> Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com <http://endormitoire.wordpress.com/> >>> "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein) >>> >>> >> > -- > ----------------- > Benoît St-Jean > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > Twitter: @BenLeChialeux > Pinterest: benoitstjean > Instagram: Chef_Benito > IRC: lamneth > GitHub: bstjean > Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com > "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein)
