Hi Stef, i totally agree with the purpose and contents of the email. Just a remark, i don't know when you sent it. But i'm subscribed to the squeak-dev list and don't see your email posted. Maybe it's a problem with my account, but i think its worth asking if anyone else has received it.
Fernando On Mar 26, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Hi guys > > I decided to send this mail with my name because I believe that. I asked > marcus and adrian to look at it but it only engage me and not > you. I thought that it was important for me to say something :) > > > Stef > > > On Mar 26, 2010, at 12:17 PM, stephane ducasse wrote: > >> Dear Squeakers >> >> I want to send you a message because I estimate Squeakers and I want to open >> the door to see how new relationship can be build. >> So consider that as an open hand - even if my english may let you think >> otherwise. >> >> First, Pharo is not against Squeak. We forked because we believed that >> we could not make Squeak move in any coherent direction. We are sure >> that you understand our reasons. Just think a moment about the amount >> of time and energy we invested in Squeak in the >> past (I wrote more than anybody else books on squeak, build tutorials, >> lecture support, videos....- with esug over the years we spent more than >> >> 30 kEuros in Squeak related actions) so deciding to go for Pharo was >> not an easy choice but a necessary one: At one point I was thinking to quit >> Smalltalk and go to see Ruby and Python for real. Pharo is the only way >> that I get back my fun in Smalltalk. >> >> So what are my dreams? >> >> For Pharo >> ====== >> We want a clean, lean and fast Smalltalk. An implementation that makes >> other dynamic language jealous. >> We want a place where we/you can innovate. We want people to be able to >> invent THEIR future. >> We want a place where people can make money with it and build robust >> applications. >> >> Being able to experiment fast is important but for that the system >> should be clean, robust and flexible. >> Having a platform for experimentation requires that the platform is not >> experimental. >> >> About innovation I mean in no order: >> Support for multitouch screen, bootstrappable Smalltalk, immutability >> bit and its impact, ephemerons, >> new module system?, first class instance variables, using traits for >> real (like in ruby where any class can be a model >> without inheriting from model), VAT-like system?, event system like in >> AmbiantTalk?, >> I put ? because some of these should be implemented assessed tested... >> and understood deeply. >> >> About clean >> Clean network, clean event system, clean object kernel, better compiler >> (open - we got first class instance >> variable with no runtime penalties in one afternoon). Clean class >> builder... >> >> Now enough about Pharo. http://www.pharo-project.org/ >> >> About Etoys >> ======== >> I love Etoys (we translated the book and did more presentations of >> etoys than most squeakers) but I do not like its implementation. >> Why? Because it is bad. Any body that looks at it knows it. When I >> removed Etoys part from Pharo I'm sad but there is no other choices. Now it >> does not mean that I'm against Etoys and Etoys has the Etoys 40 image >> (note that we collected in 3.9 most of the etoys fixes with little support >> from Etoyers which forked way before, we did the same with the >> fixes of diego of Smalltalk). But again you can judge otherwise. >> >> >> About the ranting or the little war between Squeak and Pharo >> ====================================== >> Frankly I'm tired about us ranting against Squeak/andreas/... and the >> inverse. For example Traits are cool, Javascript and PHP >> will probably have them as Perl-6, Scala, Fortress. Now Squeak can >> remove them. I have no problem with that. Seriously this is your decision. >> People in squeak-dev can freely say negative points about me if this >> helps. I decided that I will not rant nor get negative feelings about that. >> I >> found the red pill :) >> >> *I* decided that I want to head to the future. So we will not rant nor >> make any bad statement about the past anymore. Not even report history or >> on old facts: if you were there you should remember, else there is the >> archive :). This is my last mail on the past. >> Frankly I have the best job I can dream about. I'm lucky just check my >> h-index for the fun, I have more than most researchers I know. In addition, >> I loved working and learning from people like lukas, adrian, nicolas, >> levente, marcus, ..... The next 10 years should be the best of my life and I >> >> will take advantage of that. I want to have **10/15** years of pure >> fun and I will do it. I want and will create positive energy. Look at ESUG >> we are doing a great job. >> >> About cross dialect energy >> ================= >> Now the key point of this mail. I **deeply** appreciate the attitude of >> people like nicolas, levente, and igor that do not bash us and help Pharo >> but also Squeak. I sent this message mainly because of their attitude. >> I'm sad to see all this (their) energy duplicated. We cleaned and improved a >> lot Pharo over the last two years (more than you may think) and we will >> continue. Squeak could have benefitted from it. Nicolas luckily for you >> pushed a lot of our fixes in Squeak already. I'm getting the fixes of >> Squeak that are interesting for Pharo. Now depending on the Squeak vision >> we could share some common things. May be we can build a better future >> together but not at all price. You see our goals is to get a clean, lean, >> flexible and robust system. If you want to share something with us let >> us know. You know now the vision of Pharo. >> Squeak may want to compete with us too. This is ok too. >> >> If you want to help us building our vision you are welcome. Our logo is a >> lighthouse and it means that it will stand and last long because it has to >> guide boats. So we will continue Pharo against tempests and giant waves :) >> >> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26678/pharoVideo.zip >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2LeNBY_5gk >> The video is really cool (dan this is the one you wanted on waves). >> >> Stef > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
