Hi Bill,

On 1 sept. 2010, at 05:59, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:

> The deeper question is whether we want to document how things are, or they 
> they *should be* - which is VERY much different from the eventless and 
> timeout ridden design that we have now.  It desperately needs to be 
> redesigned.
> 
I agree that the current status of the networking libraries is horrible. 
But, to learn the current status and think of the alternatives, I felt the need 
to understand how thinks work now.

As Stéf said, Luc and I started the Ocean project.
Thanks you Bill and to Guille for your proposal to help.
It's a pitty that you don't attend to the ESUG conf (Your names are not on the 
registrations list) otherwise we could discuss this better. Cause Luc and I 
will give a short presentation describing the current status of Ocean and where 
it is headed.
Now, we need to think how to split the project in order to have other 
contributions.

Note BTW, our goal is to have a low-level Pharo wrappers of the networking 
facilities of the OS.
We started using Alien to avoid using a plugin and ease portability.
Once we get this low-level layer, we'll go on and use it in an OOP middleware 
like rST and UbiquiTalk.
Which is after all, the right level to work with since we want to deal with 
objects and message sends.
A direct use of Sockets isn't really OO most of the time. 

Noury


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