I really agree with you Marcus. It sounds to me that core/dev is a black and white approach.
I know there are no resources, but what do you think of starting with a minimum image and the build over more sophisticated images? -Kernel image -Core image -Image with really basic browsing/scm tools (OB, Script Manager, Shout, etc) - or "developer basic" -developer standard (the current dev) -developer scientific -developer web ... etc. that wouldn't result in more easier integrations? Cheers, 2011/4/3 Marcus Denker <marcus.den...@inria.fr>: > Hi, > > So finally I have to admit that I am defeated: The way we do the Core vs. > Full release does not work. > > 1) We don't develop the system using the tools that we tell people to use. > -> bugs don't get fixed > -> there is no pressure on improving the tools > -> we can't use the advanced tools while developing the Core. > > 2) We integrate *far* too late. > -> merging in the tools of Dev a week before the big release > *will* fail, as they are not tested. > > 3) As we use Core for Development of Core, it's not a Core. It contains all > needed tools, just simplified versions. > -> People even expect to be able to shrink it more, which in > turn we do not test. > > 4) Refactoring are only applied to the Core, not to the whole code base. Look > at the Sound or Morph Examples... > getting them fixed for the release if they are not touched for a year is > nearly impossible. > > 5) Fixing something in the Core is fast. We move *extremely* fast. Getting > something fixed for Full can be very difficult. > e.g. repositories need to be changed (for a temporary fork), build > scripts edited.. it's so hard that it is done far too late. > > 6) We can not do a release and be done. Release drag over weeks, making > announcments (and publicity) impossible. > > The build server helps a little bitwith some of the problems, but not much... > especially as the full build of unstable is mostly > not working. > > So I vote for abandoning Core vs. Dev for 1.3. > > Marcus > > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > -- Hernán Morales Information Technology Manager, Institute of Veterinary Genetics. National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. Internal: 422 Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799.
