Pharo can already run on iOS and Raspberry PI and works well.
On Android its still a work in progress but its improving
On web you can already can use pharo for both the backend (server)
and front
end (browser-javascript-html-css)
So Pharo has already spread on all major platforms , with the
exception of
Android where there is still work to be done to make it usable. In
the dev
list there was already an announcement for hiring a developer for
one year
to work on the Android. So Android is a matter of time too.
For anyone that really cares about JVM in general as I already
posted he/she
can take JNIPort and improve it anyway he/she wants.
Its not hard to create support for other languages if one wants to. I
created support for python, another dude created support for R
programming
language who followed a similar approach to mine.
But we all have personal reasons and needs for using pharo with other
programming languages, I use it to script Blender the 3d application
that
happens to use python as its scripting language, other may use R for
mathematical computations, other do web development, others want to
make
Android apps and so forth.
Its impossible with such small community to fit the needs of every
user of
pharo or potential user, so it wont happen until like me you are
ready to
get your hands dirty to make Pharo work well for you. Else you are
better
coding in other language .
On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 1:31 PM Antonio J. Arrieta Cuartero
<ajac...@yahoo.es> wrote:
Hello
The question isn't how to implement Pharo in JVM. I know Java
programmers
will never use Pharo as I probably will never use Java.
The question is to spread Pharo all over the platforms. And the more
extended platform all over the world are IOS and Android. The
advantage is
to have Pharo not only the computer but also in our personal
tablets (no
phones nor phablets).
Antonio J. Arrieta Cuartero
________________________________
De: Dimitris Chloupis
Enviado: 12/12/2015 10:25
Para: Any question about pharo is welcome
Asunto: Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM
Of course the one thing that you fail to mention is that no JVM based
languages (including Scala) can be called a popular language since
they dont
even make the top 20.
I have personal experience with Python , Jpython is a port to JVM
and not
only that JPython is special in a way that not only can use any
Java library
out of the box but also has support for CPython libraries (which by
very far
the most popular python implementation out there) and still its barely
alive.
The irony is that in the end people that are mostly interested
about JVM
or JS are JS and JAVA coders mainly. Coders from other language
tend to
stick with their own language mainly because both Java and
Javascript though
both incredible big platforms they are both a huge mess.
Redline was a good effort that now looks like abandonware. Amber is
barely
active. Those are common patterns for pretty much any language that
decides
to embrace JVM or JS as platforms.
And you can use java libraries from Pharo via JNIPort
http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~JNIPort/JNIPort
https://sites.google.com/site/jniport/project-definition
I wanted to use python libraries from pharo , I did not go to
implement
pharo or port pharo to Cpython, all I did was to create a
communication
bridge via sockets and I did that in less that 100 lines of python
code.
Its easy , fast and simple. Nothing stops anyone from interfacing
pharo
with any popular platform or other language. The fact that people
prefer to
stick with pharo frameworks and libraries sends a clear message.
Invest in Pharo , this is what our community is focused on.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 8:36 PM Richard Eng
<horrido.hobb...@gmail.com>
wrote:
According to TIOBE, which is hardly a reliable metric, this month
Java
and Python are enjoying a massive upswing in popularity. In fact,
TIOBE will
most likely name Java Programming Language of the Year for 2015.
(Both
languages have been on an upward trajectory all year.)
It's not hard to understand why Java's popularity is improving.
Android
programming is becoming more important, as the platform has begun
to exceed
iOS in terms of user experience with the advent of Lollipop and
Marshmallow.
Then there's the rise of the "Internet of Things," where Java
seems to be
well-suited.
(I'm not sure what explains Python's bump in popularity, though.
Maybe
there's an increasing appetite for languages that are easy to
learn. A
clean, simple syntax is very, very important!)
I think, more than ever, we need to have Smalltalk on the JVM. Java
cannot be allowed to hog the limelight of IT. I was pinning my
hopes on
Redline, but I'm not sanguine about its future progress.
Rather than waste time with PharoJS, wouldn't it be more prudent
to focus
on putting Pharo on the JVM?
