Hilaire

We invested 3 years of PhD of Guillermo + 8 months of hard work of christophe
and guillermo. Pavel spent years to produce the mini image and now
with the bootstrap
it is opening a lot of possibilities. We will do it and it will work.
And ***I LOVE THEIR WORK***. I DREAMED about it more than 15 years ago
and they make it
true. This is a game changer. It forces the system to be a lot more
modular and cleaner.

In the future people will take a core and their own configuration and
build whatever they want.
And we will build Pharo based on this core.

I understand that you want to focus on DrGeo but the situation is like that.
There is no magic. Stay in Pharo 30 but do not expect people will help
you because Pharo
is now more than 4 years old.

I think that Pavel was really supportive with you.
Now when I see your emails, I often see you ranting and people takes
on their free time to help you
so the more you rant the less people will help you. Ask yourself when
it is the last time that you fixed a typo in Pharo and proposed a fix
or just reproduce a bug that is not on your direct interest.
You see people are sensible to this matter.

I imagine that you know the soup of stone story. Pharo is our common
goods and this is important
that we all pay attention to it.

Stef


On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Hilaire <hila...@drgeo.eu> wrote:
> I don't share your enthusiasm.
>
> I once set up a satisfactory build environment for DrGeo, based on P3. As
> long as I stay with P3, I can concentrate on DrGeo code: write the code,
> then fire up a build script to deploy the application. Now porting to P6 is
> a pain: the infrastructure to deploy a desktop application has not evolve
> since P3, I have to build again a deployment environment from scratch (VM
> support, shrinked/built image, I don't know the promise of minimal image
> build up is not palpable for me).
>
> Now If I have to spend days on that, I am not sure I will do it again, I
> can't compete against other geometry application if I have to fight against
> pharo too. What I want is to concentrate working on DrGeo not Pharo, sorry
> to make it explicit but I can't much offer to do both.
>
> Hilaire
>
> Le 27/07/2017 à 21:28, Stephane Ducasse a écrit :
>
> Indeed.
> I dreamed about the bootstrap in 2002 :) so now I enjoy it :)
> What I can tell you is that we will do another pass because we want
> Pharo core around 200 k + 300 k for a slow vm. And we will have one
> guy working on it during his PhD.
> We will continue to push with Pavel, christophe and guille too.
>
>
> --
> Dr. Geo
> http://drgeo.eu

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