Just change the subject as this is not (only) on I18n. As a summary and from my impression (I just dive into pharo more seriously these days).
> Le 11 nov. 2017 à 21:29, Hilaire <hila...@drgeo.eu> a écrit : > > P6 is definitely a better IDE compare to previous version, and for coming > Calypso looks fantastic, but P6 is a worst vehicle for a desktop application. > There is much more code included and you are on your on to shrink/clean it to > deploy your desktop application to make it looks and behave user friendly. > May be for a specialized audience it could be just fine to deploy as is. So it’s more a problem of deployment here. To me P6 is the last « fat image » artefact. P7 will definitely be better here (even if of course one must learn to create image differently - and of course the process might be quite fragile at first and error prone). Still my impression but P7 looks more appropriate for doing desktop app versus P6. > > About my perception on Pharo, from a distant POV, I see > parallel/overlapping/contiguous layers like Morphic, Athens, Sparta, Bloc, > Brick, Spec, GT, Polymorph all this looks confusing for me and I really don't > know or understand where to put my eggs. It is to me too (hence something else to learn). But again personally, this is the first time I think of doing desktop applications in Pharo/ST (before, it was a no go => web apps only). Still, I wait another iteration to dive into (I just read brick and block doc). > > When I took a look at Pharo keyboard shortcut, it seems to be -- without been > sure 100% -- there are two different implementations. One from GT and another > one, probably a legacy one. How can it happen? Then you wonder about other > part of the system. It makes fells like changes/implementations are not > coherent, and you don't really fell the environment as coherent or trustful. Probable as the new rendering stack must be used and improved. I can’t make some shortcuts (native) working like CMD+SHIFT+W for instance... > > May be the twist is ontological, Pharo (and Squeak) taking too much > responsibilities and not delegating enough to the host environment: GUI, > Freetype, Canvas. The energy required is then out of reach or the needed > coherence in teams works too complex. Don't know, just blind guesses, I will > now shut up. I don’t think you have to shut up :) Dr Geo is a quite complex software the used a lot morphic I think, so it is also a perfect candidate to see how switching to Bloc/Brick is possible/interesting :) I just have the impression that P7 would be more appropriate than P6 for upgrading it. Again, only my 2 cents, Cédrick > > > Le 10/11/2017 à 12:23, Cédrick Béler a écrit : >> But I have the opposite impression (of course I don’t have to maintain a big >> project like yours - I wouldn’t say you’re the hobby user:) ). But I really >> find P6 more consistent than what I used to try in the past (last squeaks up >> to 3.9 and firsts pharo). > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > > >
