On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 22:29, David Krider wrote:

> > Gentoo users would probably argue with this.  I'd ask them to show
> > numbers...
> 
> Ok. Here we go. I posted awhile back about my experience flirting with
> Gentoo. I found that it was noticeably faster and more responsive. Take
> it for what it's worth, but I think that most of us hard-core geeks, who
> have seen years and years of performance upgrades and have some basic
> feel for what our hardware dollars are providing, know the difference
> between a 2%, a 10%, and a 20% difference in speed. I'd say that the
> overall feel of the Gentoo installation was 10-15% "snappier" than the
> same system running RH 7.3. (I'm a KDE user, just for reference.)
> 
> However, the idea that significant gains could be realized by
> recompiling the RPM's was poo-poo'ed my Mike Harris, who claimed his
> years of experience led him to conclude that this just wasn't going to
> be the case. I asked if perhaps he formed those opinions back in the
> days before Athlons and P4's, but I didn't get a response.

It was poo-poo'ed by Havoc earlier, too.  No offense, but until I see
real numbers from a benchmark app, I'm inclined to believe two
knowledgeable hackers over easily influenced geeks, who desperately want
to believe they can squeeze out those last few drops of performance, and
actually notice a difference.  Yeah, compiling EVERYTHING with a certain
set of flags might yield a difference in performance, but I'm guessing
that for most things, it's psychological - one *believes* it is faster. 
I'd love to see double-blind testing on this someday...

Also, I refuse to believe that Red Hat aren't already looking to
optimize their distribution as greatly as they feel is safe.  If Red
Hat's not performing some optimization on their RPMS, I'm guessing it's
for a *reason*.  What reason, outside of real technological issues,
would they have for making their distro *slower* than they are capable
of making it?  They could only lose for doing so!

 - jck

-- 
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man."

 - George Bernard Shaw



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