I agree, Loran. I searched the net for the Archives and came up with zip. "Loran T. Hughes" <lo...@oldcrank.com> wrote:And just who is this 'Columbia Records Archives' that appraised this item? Zero feedback, my gut feeling says it's a scam in progress.
Loran On Sep 5, 2004, at 8:56 AM, john robles wrote: > If you read the description carefully, it says cylinder record > CONTAINER. It does NOT say there is a record. This fool thinks he has > a $9000 box...I have some boxes I will sell him for only $500 > apiece.... > John Robles > > Thomas Jordan wrote: > I bought my copy for $6.00. WOW! I'll let mine go for the low, low > price of only $800.00 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Plavzic > To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:14 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! > > Hello > > Have our cylinder collections suddenly appreciated? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&category=306&item=4034083962&rd=1 > > any comments > > Robert > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20040905170408.39544.qm...@web81005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040905170408.39544.qm...@web81005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <e31e4a7c-ff66-11d8-9a03-000393c78...@alamedanet.net> ok, i can't hold back any longer. i admit it. i am the Columbia Records Archives (not affiliated with the Columbia School of Broadcasting, the District of Columbia, the Columbia Broadcasting System, or South America's Republica de Colombia). yep, that's right, me. i just haven't told anybody yet, especially not the people who run the internet thingie. after all, if somebody else can be the reborn National Phonograph Company, why can't i be the Columbia Records Archive? that other guy channels Mr. Edison, the company's founder, and sorta the same way...i channel Mr. Columbus, the founder of Columbia Records. in fact Mr. Columbus (i get to call him Chris), speaking through me, told me to tell you that he's really glad i'm doing this to uphold the great name of Columbia Records. i have a garage full of them Columbia records...red-label Harry James ones, especially, which as everyone knows are RARE RARE RARE even if you've never seen that eBay thing. i've got lots of them Columbia roll records too, but they're all sorta mottled looking plus my record-tube player needs a new steel needle anyways. So i just archived 'em all, out there in the garage. at least i think they're out there - haven't seen 'em for a while now. you can send me yours to archive too, and in exchange, i'll send you a realistic-looking appraisal of $9000 each for them. also you can donate money to the Columbia Records Archive Garage Expansion and New Roof Fund via my PayPal account (account name: graphoph...@skinflint.com) On Sep 5, 2004, at 10:04 AM, john robles wrote: > I agree, Loran. I searched the net for the Archives and came up with > zip. > > "Loran T. Hughes" <lo...@oldcrank.com> wrote: > And just who is this 'Columbia Records Archives' that appraised this > item? Zero feedback, my gut feeling says it's a scam in progress. > > Loran > > On Sep 5, 2004, at 8:56 AM, john robles wrote: > > > If you?read the description carefully, it says cylinder record > > CONTAINER. It does NOT say there is a record. This fool thinks he > has > > a $9000 box...I have some boxes I will sell him for only $500 > > apiece.... > > John Robles > > > > Thomas Jordan wrote: > > I bought my copy for $6.00.? WOW!? I'll let mine go for the low, low > > price of only $800.00 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Plavzic > > To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:14 AM > > Subject: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! > > > > Hello > > > > Have our cylinder collections suddenly appreciated? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&category=306&item=4034083962&rd=1 > > > > any comments > > > > Robert > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > > _______________________________________________ > Phono- L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > -- Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I wouldn't want them record tubes to get any more mottled looking. :-P John Peter Fraser <pjfra...@alamedanet.net> wrote: ok, i can't hold back any longer. i admit it. i am the Columbia Records Archives (not affiliated with the Columbia School of Broadcasting, the District of Columbia, the Columbia Broadcasting System, or South America's Republica de Colombia). yep, that's right, me. i just haven't told anybody yet, especially not the people who run the internet thingie. after all, if somebody else can be the reborn National Phonograph Company, why can't i be the Columbia Records Archive? that other guy channels Mr. Edison, the company's founder, and sorta the same way...i channel Mr. Columbus, the founder of Columbia Records. in fact Mr. Columbus (i get to call him Chris), speaking through me, told me to tell you that he's really glad i'm doing this to uphold the great name of Columbia Records. i have a garage full of them Columbia records...red-label Harry James ones, especially, which as everyone knows are RARE RARE RARE even if you've never seen that eBay thing. i've got lots of them Columbia roll records too, but they're all sorta mottled looking plus my record-tube player needs a new steel needle anyways. So i just archived 'em all, out there in the garage. at least i think they're out there - haven't seen 'em for a while now. you can send me yours to archive too, and in exchange, i'll send you a realistic-looking appraisal of $9000 each for them. also you can donate money to the Columbia Records Archive Garage Expansion and New Roof Fund via my PayPal account (account name: graphoph...@skinflint.com) On Sep 5, 2004, at 10:04 AM, john robles wrote: > I agree, Loran. I searched the net for the Archives and came up with > zip. > > "Loran T. Hughes" wrote: > And just who is this 'Columbia Records Archives' that appraised this > item? Zero feedback, my gut feeling says it's a scam in progress. > > Loran > > On Sep 5, 2004, at 8:56 AM, john robles wrote: > > > If you read the description carefully, it says cylinder record > > CONTAINER. It does NOT say there is a record. This fool thinks he > has > > a $9000 box...I have some boxes I will sell him for only $500 > > apiece.... > > John Robles > > > > Thomas Jordan wrote: > > I bought my copy for $6.00. WOW! I'll let mine go for the low, low > > price of only $800.00 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Plavzic > > To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:14 AM > > Subject: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! > > > > Hello > > > > Have our cylinder collections suddenly appreciated? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&category=306&item=4034083962&rd=1 > > > > any comments > > > > Robert > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > > _______________________________________________ > Phono- L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > -- Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040905/bc05067d/attachment.html From d...@old-phonographs.com Sun Sep 5 18:14:47 2004 From: d...@old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:48 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ------------ Read it again, guys! References: <ff.53d720.2e6ce...@aol.com> Message-ID: <005501c493ae$e6f07f50$6401a...@danslaptop> Obviously not an Oregonian with any affiliation to the phonograph community! I'm in Portland, and I'm sure this is just simple ignorance Daniel Melvin http://www.old-phonographs.com Strength and wisdom are not opposing values. ----- Original Message ----- From: aph4...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ------------ Read it again, guys! In a message dated 9/5/2004 10:28:44 AM Mountain Daylight Time, lo...@oldcrank.com writes: And just who is this 'Columbia Records Archives' that appraised this item? Zero feedback, my gut feeling says it's a scam in progress. Loran Hey Loran, The seller is from Hillsboro, Oregon. Must be a buddy of yours. You need to do some educating of your fellow Oregonians! Best, Art Heller ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040905/510d7697/attachment.html From est...@localnet.com Sun Sep 5 19:11:41 2004 From: est...@localnet.com (Eric Stott) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:48 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ------------ Read it again, guys! References: <ff.53d720.2e6ce...@aol.com> <005501c493ae$e6f07f50$6401a...@danslaptop> Message-ID: <005201c493b6$d964cf50$43e6f...@s0027474218> Since an appraisal from a record archive is involved, I'd say this is Rather Complex Ignorance. Eric Stott Albany NY ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Melvin To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ------------ Read it again, guys! Obviously not an Oregonian with any affiliation to the phonograph community! I'm in Portland, and I'm sure this is just simple ignorance Daniel Melvin http://www.old-phonographs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040905/22372192/attachment.html From srsel...@aol.com Mon Sep 6 08:10:17 2004 From: srsel...@aol.com (srsel...@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:48 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ------------ Read it again, guys! Message-ID: <1e2.2a1152c9.2e6dd...@aol.com> I wrote a friendly note to the guy and got the reply below. I thought you all would have a laugh. I did reply to him that the "cylindrical cover" was what I meant by the box and that it states Edison record #. So the guy worked for Columbia, eh? LOLOLOLOLOL! Well he vwasted his posting fee and gave everyone a good laugh. Like someone will bid with "zero feedback"! Steve In a message dated 9/6/04 10:55:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jeffbazell1 writes: Obviously you're not interested. There is no "box," the wax cylinder is in a cylindrical cover, back in 1903 Edison had the patent on all wax cylinders and I DO have correct data. Columbia Records was in existance at that time. I worked for Columbia Records. I double checked with them and have very reliable information on this type of recording and format. I don't know where your info is from. This record that I have is worth a minimum of $500.00, yes, I was wrong on the initial bidding price. You need not email me again unless you're a serious bidder. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040906/9b5781a6/attachment.html From john9...@pacbell.net Mon Sep 6 09:11:20 2004 From: john9...@pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:48 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ------------ Read it again, guys! In-Reply-To: <1e2.2a1152c9.2e6dd...@aol.com> Message-ID: <20040906161120.14471.qm...@web81007.mail.yahoo.com> That kind of idiotic response makes my blood boil, but I guess some people don't want to play fair and there's nothing you can do. His defensive stance makes me think that he knows he's been 'caught'. John srsel...@aol.com wrote: I wrote a friendly note to the guy and got the reply below. I thought you all would have a laugh. I did reply to him that the "cylindrical cover" was what I meant by the box and that it states Edison record #. So the guy worked for Columbia, eh? LOLOLOLOLOL! Well he vwasted his posting fee and gave everyone a good laugh. Like someone will bid with "zero feedback"! Steve In a message dated 9/6/04 10:55:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jeffbazell1 writes: Obviously you're not interested. There is no "box," the wax cylinder is in a cylindrical cover, back in 1903 Edison had the patent on all wax cylinders and I DO have correct data. Columbia Records was in existance at that time. I worked for Columbia Records. I double checked with them and have very reliable information on this type of recording and format. I don't know where your info is from. This record that I have is worth a minimum of $500.00, yes, I was wrong on the initial bidding price. You need not email me again unless you're a serious bidder. _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040906/9a5097e2/attachment.html From esrobe...@hotmail.com Mon Sep 6 10:29:30 2004 From: esrobe...@hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:48 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ------------ Read it again, guys! References: <20040906161120.14471.qm...@web81007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <bay16-dav1060gxapzh00035...@hotmail.com> I couldn't agree more. It's hard to restrain myself from writing this moron myself, but let's face it, what good does that ever do with these idiots? *lol* Hope everyone had a great holiday. Best, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: john robles To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ------------ Read it again, guys! That kind of idiotic response makes my blood boil, but I guess some people don't want to play fair and there's nothing you can do. His defensive stance makes me think that he knows he's been 'caught'. John srsel...@aol.com wrote: I wrote a friendly note to the guy and got the reply below. I thought you all would have a laugh. I did reply to him that the "cylindrical cover" was what I meant by the box and that it states Edison record #. So the guy worked for Columbia, eh? LOLOLOLOLOL! Well he vwasted his posting fee and gave everyone a good laugh. Like someone will bid with "zero feedback"! Steve In a message dated 9/6/04 10:55:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jeffbazell1 writes: Obviously you're not interested. There is no "box," the wax cylinder is in a cylindrical cover, back in 1903 Edison had the patent on all wax cylinders and I DO have correct data. Columbia Records was in existance at that time. I worked for Columbia Records. I double checked with them and have very reliable information on this type of recording and format. I don't know where your info is from. This record that I have is worth a minimum of $500.00, yes, I was wrong on the initial bidding price. You need not email me again unless you're a serious bidder. _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040906/9bde49e2/attachment.html From edboy...@alltel.net Mon Sep 6 10:40:29 2004 From: edboy...@alltel.net (Eric Boyles) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:48 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ------------ Read it again, guys! In-Reply-To: <bay16-dav1060gxapzh00035...@hotmail.com> References: <20040906161120.14471.qm...@web81007.mail.yahoo.com> <bay16-dav1060gxapzh00035...@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <413ca10d.30...@alltel.net> I suggest we all email him and offer the same cylinder at various prices from $5-$25......lol.........If he gets 50 offers to sell him one for $10 that would be a clear message...... Eric Robert Wright wrote: > I couldn't agree more. It's hard to restrain myself from writing this > moron myself, but let's face it, what good does that ever do with > these idiots? *lol* Hope everyone had a great holiday. > > Best, > Robert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: john robles <mailto:john9...@pacbell.net> > To: Antique Phonograph List <mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ------------ Read it > again, guys! > > That kind of idiotic response makes my blood boil, but I guess > some people don't want to play fair and there's nothing you can > do. His defensive stance makes me think that he knows he's been > 'caught'. > John > > srsel...@aol.com <mailto:srsel...@aol.com> wrote: > > I wrote a friendly note to the guy and got the reply below. I > thought you all would have a laugh. I did reply to him that > the "cylindrical cover" was what I meant by the box and that > it states Edison record #. So the guy worked for Columbia, eh? > LOLOLOLOLOL! > > Well he vwasted his posting fee and gave everyone a good > laugh. Like someone will bid with "zero feedback"! > > Steve > > > In a message dated 9/6/04 10:55:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Jeffbazell1 writes: > > Obviously you're not interested. There is no "box," the > wax cylinder is in a cylindrical cover, back in 1903 > Edison had the patent on all wax cylinders and I DO have > correct data. Columbia Records was in existance at that > time. I worked for Columbia Records. I double checked > with them and have very reliable information on this type > of recording and format. I don't know where your info is > from. This record that I have is worth a minimum of > $500.00, yes, I was wrong on the initial bidding price. > You need not email me again unless you're a serious bidder. > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > Phono-L@oldcrank.org > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Phono-L mailing list >Phono-L@oldcrank.org >http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040906/dd2540d7/attachment.html From srsel...@aol.com Tue Sep 7 05:09:34 2004 From: srsel...@aol.com (srsel...@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:48 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ---The Final Word??? Message-ID: <100.705fdf.2e6ef...@aol.com> I dediced to be polite and wrote the guy to explain that I knew a lot about Edison and Columbia cylinders and that he was really wasting a fee payable to ebay. The guy is weird and wrote me the following which I thought you might all want to get a post-Labor Day laugh from. (If the guy was naive, that's one thing but this guy is arrogant - though he calls me that): He replied: ----------------- Forwarded Message: Subj: Re: Question for item #4034083962 - 1903 Wax Cylinder Columbia Records/Edison... Date: 9/6/04 11:49:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: _Jeffbazell1_ (mailto:Jeffbazell1) To: _Stevenramm_ (mailto:Stevenramm) Not to harp on your rude, snot-filled email. E-Bay is totally aware of the responses I've had. Six to be exact. You're right about not selling it, but I was not charged for the listing. In the hallways of CBS Records, Inc. in NYC, 51 W. 52nd Street are plenty of photos of these old cylinders. I don't know where you live but if you're ever in NYC and really interested, they have a small museum of early Columbia recordings, including the cylinder recordings, the players, etc. I DID post a very nice photo of it which received many compliments. You're the only one laughing. I still don't understand why you find it necessary to reply in a rude way. Since you didn't honor my first request not to email me again, I'll just block your email address and you can send all the nasty emails to E Bay listers you feel like hurting. I feel fine about what I did. .Hope you have a nice time wasted by sending nasty emails to people. Hmm. Ebay didn't charge him? wonder why? By the way he relied to two folks directly on the ebay item but he removed the second one and only left the comment about the photos that he's sorry that the one person didn't get. Now, to add to the humor and put this guy in perspective, I checked out his AOL public profile to see his hobbies and background. It's public info on AOl so enjoy it below - though I hope you aren't offended by some of his crude language. (Note that "cylinder record collecting" is NOT listed as one of his hobbies!<g>. "Location: Portland, Oregon Gender: Male Marital Status: Domestic Partnership, 22 years! Hobbies & Interests: Music, everything from Handel to Hip Hop, Bach to Beatles, Eminem to Streisand, Groban to Greek, Bluegrass to just Blues, Jazz to Copeland, Avril to ZZ. Peruvian Andes to Spanish Gypsy Flamenco. Favorite Gadgets: Anything techno, cars, audio/video Occupation: Eat, nap, work on car, nap, burn cd's, nap, pet pussy, nap, kiss husband, nap. Work? Nap instead. Pleasure self." Well it was a "fun" weekend! Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040907/927045ed/attachment.html From phonof...@msn.com Wed Sep 8 09:19:17 2004 From: phonof...@msn.com (Fred Williams) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:48 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Oak Victrola XVI Message-ID: <bay11-dav37vebjkyqu00033...@hotmail.com> Hi Friends, I purchased a Victrola the Sixteenth over the long weekend. It is in oak, and has serial number VV171114. All of the VVXVI machines that I have seen have been mahogany. I wonder if any of you Victrola experts know how many of these were made in oak. This machine is the square rather than L door type. I also noticed that while there is a pin on the bottom of the tone arm to trip an auto break there is not an auto break installed. Was the automatic break an optional Item? There are no extra holes on the board beneath the turntable. This is the second time that I have seen a sixteen set up this way. From the descriptions in look for the dog I'd say that this machine was built after 1912 but before 1914. At one time I had a very useful list of Victrola production dates by model, and serial number. Someone on this list sent it to me. I have misplaced it, and sure would like to get another copy. If any of you Colorado, OWAPS guys would be interested in a swell Victola IV I have one for sale. Unfortunately I don't have room for both of these machines. The IV is in great condition. Contact me off list. Thanks, Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040908/bd60ed78/attachment.html From phono...@aol.com Wed Sep 8 16:47:33 2004 From: phono...@aol.com (phono...@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:48 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Oak Victrola XVI Message-ID: <d2.162e1e25.2e70f...@aol.com> This is on list, and I have an oak XVI, and it does have the automatic shut-off, and the Expedition Reproducer. I wonder if all XVIs had the Expedition. It may be big, but it is my baby and I love it. Have you seen the record jackets with the XVI being played in a lobby type setting? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040908/cfe1d1ba/attachment.html From dmi...@hotmail.com Wed Sep 8 20:07:08 2004 From: dmi...@hotmail.com (Don Ivey) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:48 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ---The Final Word??? In-Reply-To: <100.705fdf.2e6ef...@aol.com> Message-ID: <bay23-dav132j6vdzpo0000e...@hotmail.com> Don't forget that everything you post here is available to 6,457,676,249 people to read with your name or email next to it. http://www.intellitechcomputing.com/pipermail/phono-l/2004-September/thread.html -Don -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040908/05f8a1cd/attachment.html From aph4...@aol.com Wed Sep 8 21:33:13 2004 From: aph4...@aol.com (aph4...@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:49 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ---The Final Word??? Message-ID: <cd.1627d0c0.2e713...@aol.com> In a message dated 9/8/2004 9:07:57 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dmi...@hotmail.com writes: Don?t forget that everything you post here is available to 6,457,676,249 people to read with your name or email next to it. http://www.intellitechcomputing.com/pipermail/phono-l/2004-September/thread.ht ml -Don And your concern is???? --Art -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040909/db6186fb/attachment.html From dmi...@hotmail.com Thu Sep 9 06:31:46 2004 From: dmi...@hotmail.com (Don Ivey) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:49 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ---The Final Word??? In-Reply-To: <cd.1627d0c0.2e713...@aol.com> Message-ID: <bay23-dav35lcyhejyy0000e...@hotmail.com> My point is these comments are in a public forum for anyone to read and it's not anonymous. I certainly would not want this guy to read the comments. I have no idea who else might be reading them. Maybe it doesn't bother some folks (shrug). I'll leave it at that. -Don _____ From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of aph4...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:33 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ---The Final Word??? In a message dated 9/8/2004 9:07:57 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dmi...@hotmail.com writes: Don't forget that everything you post here is available to 6,457,676,249 people to read with your name or email next to it. http://www.intellitechcomputing.com/pipermail/phono-l/2004-September/thread.html -Don And your concern is???? --Art -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040909/ed4dde64/attachment.html From phonof...@msn.com Thu Sep 9 06:48:50 2004 From: phonof...@msn.com (Fred Williams) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:49 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Oak Victrola XVI References: <d2.162e1e25.2e70f...@aol.com> Message-ID: <bay11-dav9isks7grza00017...@hotmail.com> Hi Dave, Thank you for your reply. I am not sure what you are asking me about the record jackets. I am kind of surprised that yours is the only reply that I have received. I thought we had quite a few people on this list with a ton of knowledge about Victrolas. I wonder if the Auto shut-off break uses the same mounting holes as the regular break. Thanks, Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: phono...@aol.com<mailto:phono...@aol.com> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org<mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oak Victrola XVI This is on list, and I have an oak XVI, and it does have the automatic shut-off, and the Expedition Reproducer. I wonder if all XVIs had the Expedition. It may be big, but it is my baby and I love it. Have you seen the record jackets with the XVI being played in a lobby type setting? Dave _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040909/12c6231b/attachment.html From esrobe...@hotmail.com Thu Sep 9 06:54:40 2004 From: esrobe...@hotmail.com (Robert Wright) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:49 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ---The Final Word??? References: <bay23-dav35lcyhejyy0000e...@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <bay16-dav8aupuzdnhg00045...@hotmail.com> Personally, I'd give anything for confirmation that this guy read every single word. Further, I'd love the opportunity to meet him face to face and berate him for his dishonesty and arrogance. But then, I have this thing for irresponsible people being held accountable for their actions... Maybe that's just me. -Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Ivey To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:31 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ---The Final Word??? My point is these comments are in a public forum for anyone to read and it's not anonymous. I certainly would not want this guy to read the comments. I have no idea who else might be reading them. Maybe it doesn't bother some folks (shrug). I'll leave it at that. -Don ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of aph4...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:33 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ---The Final Word??? In a message dated 9/8/2004 9:07:57 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dmi...@hotmail.com writes: Don't forget that everything you post here is available to 6,457,676,249 people to read with your name or email next to it. http://www.intellitechcomputing.com/pipermail/phono-l/2004-September/thread.html -Don And your concern is???? --Art ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040909/4d2d1fad/attachment.html From phonof...@msn.com Thu Sep 9 07:14:40 2004 From: phonof...@msn.com (Fred Williams) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:49 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ---The Final Word??? References: <bay23-dav35lcyhejyy0000e...@hotmail.com> <bay16-dav8aupuzdnhg00045...@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <bay11-dav44k2faiyu000031...@hotmail.com> He may not be trying to rip anybody off. He might just be a lunatic. In that case it's likely that nothing anyone says to him will change what he thinks. Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Wright<mailto:esrobe...@hotmail.com> To: Antique Phonograph List<mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ---The Final Word??? Personally, I'd give anything for confirmation that this guy read every single word. Further, I'd love the opportunity to meet him face to face and berate him for his dishonesty and arrogance. But then, I have this thing for irresponsible people being held accountable for their actions... Maybe that's just me. -Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Ivey<mailto:dmi...@hotmail.com> To: 'Antique Phonograph List'<mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:31 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ---The Final Word??? My point is these comments are in a public forum for anyone to read and it's not anonymous. I certainly would not want this guy to read the comments. I have no idea who else might be reading them. Maybe it doesn't bother some folks (shrug). I'll leave it at that. -Don ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org<mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org> [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of aph4...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:33 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $9000 cylinder!! ---The Final Word??? In a message dated 9/8/2004 9:07:57 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dmi...@hotmail.com writes: Don't forget that everything you post here is available to 6,457,676,249 people to read with your name or email next to it. http://www.intellitechcomputing.com/pipermail/phono-l/2004-September/thread.html -Don And your concern is???? --Art ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L@oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20040909/efaafdd8/attachment.html From dmi...@hotmail.com Thu Sep 9 08:57:12 2004 From: dmi...@hotmail.com (Max Power) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:09:49 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Oak Victrola XVI Message-ID: <bay23-f17zrh9aie3hj00025...@hotmail.com> The manual brake has different screw holes when compared to the semi-automatic brake. I'm pretty sure the semi-automatic brake was available in years your machine was made. It's possible that Victor put tone arms with the shutoff stem on machines that still had the manual brake. It could have been switched out by a previious owner too. Maybe? I have a couple of machines with the semi-automatic brake and it seems to work most of the time. There's nothing wrong with keeping the manual brake since it appears to be original on your machine. -Don _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. 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