Was all of that paperwork required at the time of her death, or just a death certificate? And the death certificate only required in New York or by the railroad?
Remember, the world was not overrun by bureaucratic auditors back then. I could be wrong but I would bet that the people in North Carolina of the time could tell if you were dead of natural causes and needed to be buried without several pieces of paper. BruceY wrote: > Ok, this detailed information about the circumstances concerning her > death seems to confirm that the Death Certificate was hurriedly prepared > in order to expedite the shipping of the her body back to New York!! > (you must have a completed Death Certificate in order to obtain a > Burial/Removal from State permit!!)So this fellow Armstrong, whoever he > was, provided what little information he knew about Ada. Obviously no > attempt was ever made by her family, to ever correct the erroneous > information appearing on the original document, for what ever reason no > one will ever know. The original Death Certificate along with a burial > permit would have accompanied the body back to New York, been received > by the local Funeral Director handling Funeral, and then the Death > Certificate presented to the next of Kin, presumably her husband. > Eventually the original Death Certificate, in this case the one prepared > in North Carolina, finds it way back to the home city or Town of the > deceased so additional certified copies can be accessed from there as well. > > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Burwell" > <[email protected]> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information > > >> I googled Ada Jones and found an interesting site >> www.gracyk.com/ada.shtml Check it out. It's pretty interesting. Jackie >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" <[email protected]> >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information >> >> >>> Before the government programs, your birthday and date of death did >>> not make a lot of difference. As neither one served much real >>> tangible purpose to you, or anyone else. >>> >>> Douglas Houston wrote: >>>> All of this makes me wonder if vital statistics were reliably >>>> accurate in >>>> the days that Ada Jones was born; in England, or even in this >>>> country. For >>>> instance, my father was born in a little burg in Tennessee, north of >>>> Chattanooga. When he was 72, he wanted to apply for Social Security. He >>>> contacted the Hamilton County records, and they showed him as being 70, >>>> rather than 72. He had to contact relatives, still living in the little >>>> town of Soddy, where he was born, and have them swear out an affadavit, >>>> attesting to his accurate age. Later, in discussions with the kinfolk >>>> there, it was speculated that the error was attributed to the census >>>> taker, >>>> stopping at one of the houses on the street and simply taking down >>>> dates >>>> that a neighbor blurted out from memory, which was not very >>>> accurate. That >>>> saved the census taker time and trudging the dirt streets of the >>>> town. In >>>> that day, who'da thunk that it would ever matter? >>>>> [Original Message] >>>>> From: BruceY <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: 4/12/2008 8:47:58 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information >>>>> >>>>> Still trying to pin down Ada's actually birth date via some sort of >>>> bonifide >>>>> document. All the biographies give her birth year as 1873 which would >>>> make >>>>> her 47 at some point in 1920 not age 44, and her death certificate >>>>> gives >>>> an >>>>> incorrect age of 40, couldn't someone at the time poor Ada passed at >>>> least >>>>> make an effort to call or wire someone to obtain the correct >>>>> information >>>> for >>>>> her Death Certificate?!! and who gave the information to the Census >>>> Taker?? >>>>> Seems he not only had her age wrong but the spelling of her last name >>>> wrong >>>>> as well? >>>>> >>>>> Bruce >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "wayne holznagel" >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:36 PM >>>>> Subject: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I believe I may have the right person . . . >>>>>> The 1920 census shows Hugh, Ada, & Sheelah (it's hard to read the >>>>>> spelling of this name). They lived at Huntington, Suffolk, New >>>>>> York. According to this record: >>>>>> Hugh's age was 39. He arrived in the US in 1886. He became a >>>>>> naturalized citizen in 1917. He came from England. Occupation >>>>>> was theatrical. >>>>>> Ada's age was 44. She arrived in the US in 1880. She became a >>>>>> naturalized citizen in 1917. She came from England. Occupation >>>>>> was singer. >>>>>> Sheelah's age was 13. Was was listed as "daughter". The census >>>>>> information indicates she was born in England. >>>>>> If anyone is linked into one of the major genealogical web sites you >>>> can >>>>>> obtain copies of the original information. That would include, in >>>>>> many cases, copies of passenger lists, census information, probate >>>>>> records, etc. I've been researching my extensive family history >>>>>> and, believe >>>> me, >>>>>> it's there if a person wants to look. I like ancestory.com but there >>>> are >>>>>> other sites that provide good information. >>>>>> Just some information for the good of the cause. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <:)> >>>>>> Wayne H >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From [email protected] Sun Apr 13 06:40:42 2008 From: [email protected] (BruceY) Date: Sun Apr 13 06:38:35 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <001701c89d20$c0401a80$7b2cd...@dimension> Message-ID: <002b01c89d6b$f907ab30$6401a...@user52c8f93503> One last blurb about the Ada Jones death certificate. Since we are looking at a hurriedly prepared original issued by North Carolina, it would be interesting to see what information (if any) the City of New York may have on File for Ada. This should be able to be accessed by searching the Death records of New York City residents for May of 1922. It is possible that the local record may hopefully be more accurate. What is astounding to me is that North Carolina accepted and processed the original without her actual residential address, with an incorrect spelling of her married name (didn't Ada carry any kind of ID that could be checked?), and without an actual date of birth! Yes, I know there are many other things missing on the certificate, but the ones I mention are normally legal requirements prior to its acceptance as a legal document. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Burwell" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information >I googled Ada Jones and found an interesting site www.gracyk.com/ada.shtml >Check it out. It's pretty interesting. Jackie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" <[email protected]> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information > > >> Before the government programs, your birthday and date of death did not >> make a lot of difference. As neither one served much real tangible >> purpose to you, or anyone else. >> >> Douglas Houston wrote: >>> All of this makes me wonder if vital statistics were reliably accurate >>> in >>> the days that Ada Jones was born; in England, or even in this country. >>> For >>> instance, my father was born in a little burg in Tennessee, north of >>> Chattanooga. When he was 72, he wanted to apply for Social Security. He >>> contacted the Hamilton County records, and they showed him as being 70, >>> rather than 72. He had to contact relatives, still living in the little >>> town of Soddy, where he was born, and have them swear out an affadavit, >>> attesting to his accurate age. Later, in discussions with the kinfolk >>> there, it was speculated that the error was attributed to the census >>> taker, >>> stopping at one of the houses on the street and simply taking down dates >>> that a neighbor blurted out from memory, which was not very accurate. >>> That >>> saved the census taker time and trudging the dirt streets of the town. >>> In >>> that day, who'da thunk that it would ever matter? >>>> [Original Message] >>>> From: BruceY <[email protected]> >>>> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> >>>> Date: 4/12/2008 8:47:58 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information >>>> >>>> Still trying to pin down Ada's actually birth date via some sort of >>> bonifide >>>> document. All the biographies give her birth year as 1873 which would >>> make >>>> her 47 at some point in 1920 not age 44, and her death certificate >>>> gives >>> an >>>> incorrect age of 40, couldn't someone at the time poor Ada passed at >>> least >>>> make an effort to call or wire someone to obtain the correct >>>> information >>> for >>>> her Death Certificate?!! and who gave the information to the Census >>> Taker?? >>>> Seems he not only had her age wrong but the spelling of her last name >>> wrong >>>> as well? >>>> >>>> Bruce >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "wayne holznagel" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:36 PM >>>> Subject: [Phono-L] Additional Ada Jones Information >>>> >>>> >>>>> I believe I may have the right person . . . >>>>> The 1920 census shows Hugh, Ada, & Sheelah (it's hard to read the >>>>> spelling of this name). They lived at Huntington, Suffolk, New York. >>>>> According to this record: >>>>> Hugh's age was 39. He arrived in the US in 1886. He became a >>>>> naturalized citizen in 1917. He came from England. Occupation was >>>>> theatrical. >>>>> Ada's age was 44. She arrived in the US in 1880. She became a >>>>> naturalized citizen in 1917. She came from England. Occupation was >>>>> singer. >>>>> Sheelah's age was 13. Was was listed as "daughter". The census >>>>> information indicates she was born in England. >>>>> If anyone is linked into one of the major genealogical web sites you >>> can >>>>> obtain copies of the original information. That would include, in >>>>> many cases, copies of passenger lists, census information, probate >>>>> records, etc. I've been researching my extensive family history and, >>>>> believe >>> me, >>>>> it's there if a person wants to look. I like ancestory.com but there >>> are >>>>> other sites that provide good information. >>>>> Just some information for the good of the cause. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <:)> >>>>> Wayne H >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
