For best sound, remove grill, any of them.
George Glastris wrote: > I mean the Lyre grill looks better, not sounds better. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jimcip at earthlink.net> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz) > > >> Why would the Lyre grille model sound better than other Amberola I-A >> phonographs? >> >> Jim Cartwright >> >> Immortal Performances >> >> >> jimcip at earthlink.net >> EarthLink Revolves Around You. >> >> >>> [Original Message] >>> From: George Glastris <glastris at comcast.net> >>> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org> >>> Date: 28-Oct-2008 8:24:47 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz) >>> >>> Greg is correct on his points about the IA. I've had mine for almost 20 >>> years and it has followed me around England, then to Boston with a couple >>> moves in town, then to Chicago with a couple of moves. Of the 50 or so >>> machines I own or have owned,(not to mention the 1,000s I've handled >>> professionally) it is by far my favourite. If I could only keep one it >>> would be the one. Yes, wax Amberols may sound better on a III and Blue >>> Amberols better on an Opera, but only the IA plays all three as well as >>> non-Edison celluloids. And you get storage for your 100 fave cylinders. >>> >>> And given a choice, the Lyre grille is the best. >>> >>> Long live the Amberola IA!!! >>> >>> Best to all, >>> George >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Greg Bogantz" <gbogantz1 at charter.net> >>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz) >>> >>> >>>> Bruce, the only reason that I discount the 1A from being the best >>>> cylinder player is because of its inferior motor. The straight-cut >>>> spur >>>> gears of the 1A are decidedly noisier than the Opera motor of the 1B >> and >>>> the >>>> III. When I first got my 1A, it sounded like and electric drill >> whenever >>>> I >>>> ran it. The noise comes mostly from the high speed governor gears, and >>>> the >>>> only fix for it is to replace these gears with nearly perfect new ones. >>>> Try >>>> to find those anywhere! I got lucky and swapped a fellow collector >>>> some >>>> items for a set of nearly new gears which quieted my 1A down to the >> point >>>> where it is enjoyable, but still not as quiet as my 1B. The other big >>>> problem with the 1A is that it doesn't have the mechanical flutter >> filter >>>> and flywheel that Edison added to some of his later motors such as the >>>> Opera, Amberola V, and all the late amberolas. The lack of a >>>> sufficient >>>> flywheel coupled with the belt drive of the 1A virtually ensures that >>>> you'll >>>> get flutter and wow that is just an essential aspect of this design. >>>> Acoustically, the 1A is the same as the 1B, but the motor spoils the >> total >>>> experience a little. >>>> >>>> However, since the 1A motor is no worse than any found on any other >>>> 2 >>>> minute cylinder machine, the superior horn of the 1A makes it the best >>>> overall 2 minute machine in my estimation. AND it has the added >>>> benefit >>>> that you can play 2 minute celluloid records with the Diamond A >> reproducer >>>> which is truly the best 2 minute experience that you can get in a >>>> commercially made machine. I like my 1A just fine, but I prefer to >> hear 4 >>>> minute celluloids on my 1B or my III. >>>> >>>> I don't include the Opera among the very best sounding machines >> because >>>> I haven't heard ANY commercially made outside horns on cylinder >>>> machines >>>> that are the sonic equal to the horns in the Amberola 1s and III. I >>>> mentioned on the OTV board that I have a mechanical engineer friend who >>>> decided to make his own large genuine cygnet shaped exponential outside >>>> horn. He has fitted it to an Amberola 50 motor which he has put into a >>>> custom tabletop cabinet. The horn is suspended over the carriage by a >>>> clever, original design double crane pantographic system that works >>>> much >>>> better than any original design. He calls his machine the "Ediphonic" >> and >>>> has even put an Edison-style logo on it with that name. The reproducer >> is >>>> a >>>> modified Diamond B which has a custom diaphragm in it similar to the >> ones >>>> that I make. The entire project is very well-done, tidy, and authentic >>>> looking. I can tell you with "first-ear" assurance that this is the >> BEST >>>> sounding acoustic 4 minute cylinder player I have EVER heard. The >>>> exponential horn works wonderfully well with the Diamond B, and the >>>> results >>>> from playing the early directly recorded BA records (not the dubs) is >> some >>>> of the best sounding acoustic reproduction you will ever hear. >>>> >>>> Greg Bogantz >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com> >>>> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:46 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz) >>>> >>>> >>>>> Greg, >>>>> >>>>> I'd be interested to know more about why an Amberola 1A would not >>>>> sound >>>>> equally as good as the 1B for 4 min wax or blue amberols assuming the >>>>> correct reproducer is used, (the M for 4 min wax and the diamond A for >>>>> blue amberols)? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Bruce >>>>> >>>>> Bruce Johnson >>>>> Pod Valem II, 870 >>>>> 252 43 Pruhonice >>>>> Czech Republic >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tel: (CZ) + 420 602 362 473 >>>>> Tel: (US) + 1 612 605 5242 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: "phono-l-request at oldcrank.org" <phono-l-request at oldcrank.org> >>>>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:00:05 PM >>>>> Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 288 >>>>> >>>>> Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to >>>>> phono-l at oldcrank.org >>>>> >>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>> http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/phono-l >>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>> phono-l-request at oldcrank.org >>>>> >>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>> phono-l-owner at oldcrank.org >>>>> >>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>> than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." >>>>> If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this >>>>> entire digest in your message.Today's Topics: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Re: Loss To Phono Collector Community (Zonophone2006 at aol.com) >>>>> 2. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Michael F. Khanchalian) >>>>> 3. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Steven Medved) >>>>> 4. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz) >>>>> 5. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Rich) >>>>> 6. Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 287 (RROCRREC at aol.com) >>>>> 7. Dave Boruff (Mark Dawson) >>>>> 8. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Steven Medved) >>>>> 9. 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