Interesting about Paypal and other countries. As eBay is PayPal only (so to speak) I found it interesting when using a buy it now I could not buy! Tho' PayPay has my bank acct # and CC # I have an unconfirmed address as my address is a Po Box (no UPS) at home and my shipping address is at work. If it had been an auction I would have been pissed. I wrote the buyer who changed his profile to allow shipping to the unconfirmed address (work). My CC goes to the house btw as it is prudent not to mix business and hobby.* So now what? Seems if you list PayPal as the only way to pay you are at it's mercy. A bit of a mess. I would remind eBay that capitalism has only one master and one master only..........the buyer. Take a look at eBay, PayPal is it. I guess you should write the sellers and ask if other options exist, otherwise eBay's check-out will put you right to PayPal or in my case maybe not... As a buyer I find this to be out of line. Oldcranky. Mike * Where you're CC bill is mailed has to be your shipping address to be confirmed as I understand it.
2009/1/9 <john9...@pacbell.net>: > I use western union all the time with international business. It is safe > because you pick up the cash, sent in your name, before you ship anything > out. It is far safer than a check or money order, and is commonly used when > doing business in south america. There are several countries there that don't > have paypal, by the way. > ------Original Message------ > From: George Glastris > Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org > To: Antique Phonograph List > ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request > Sent: Jan 9, 2009 5:39 AM > > Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is usually when > people demand payment that way. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory Cline" <zonoph...@woh.rr.com> > To: <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request > > >> Happy new year to all! >> >> I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request from a >> potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants to >> know >> if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if this is >> a >> potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no >> experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts >> welcome. >> Thanks Gregg Cline >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From john9...@pacbell.net Fri Jan 9 13:10:42 2009 From: john9...@pacbell.net (john9...@pacbell.net) Date: Fri Jan 9 13:11:20 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request In-Reply-To: <49677e80.6070...@octoxol.com> References: <5741eaa5f559415b90c912d1aae33...@gregg><9be62e2dd00840a6ba319832ef72c...@glastrispc> <496756a8.4090...@octoxol.com><blu105-dav21796186585aa0bcca0d1aa...@phx.gbl><49677e80.6070...@octoxol.com> Message-ID: <503599731-1231535467-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-678205...@bxe358.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> With western union you just go to the supermarket (most do wetern union) get the cash un hand, and no scam. They don't transfer to bank accounts, only to WU accounts, if you have one. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Rich <rich-m...@octoxol.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:42:40 To: Antique Phonograph List<phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request The problem is that Western Union can be reversed. Even after the funds are in your account. This is also true of wire transfers. International money Orders are the fool proof way but are not available from all countries. You could check with the USPS. As long as everything is on the up and up there is no problem with Western Union. Money orders can be forged though. The trick is after about a week after purchase you can check if they are valid. For $50.00 I would not worry much but as the size of the potential loss goes up, the care goes up exponentially. Robert Wright wrote: > Rich is right. It should be noted, however, that when the scams are > afoot, it's almost always them getting YOU to Western Union them some > funds (that you will surely never see again). So if the buyer wants to > pay by Western Union, chances are likely it's perfectly fine. The only > international transactions I've done (with expesive items, yet) have > been this way, and you can get confirmation of the funds as 'in your > account' before you ship the item. > > Best, > Robert > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich" <rich-m...@octoxol.com> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request > > >> Go to your bank and ask them what is available for money transfer from >> Brazil that is secure and nonreversible. There are ways to do this >> but each country is different. If the potential buyer is on the up >> and up they will comply. >> >> George Glastris wrote: >>> Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is >>> usually when people demand payment that way. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Cline" >>> <zonoph...@woh.rr.com> >>> To: <phono-l@oldcrank.org> >>> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request >>> >>> >>>> Happy new year to all! >>>> >>>> I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request >>>> from a >>>> potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants >>>> to know >>>> if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if >>>> this is a >>>> potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no >>>> experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts >>>> welcome. >>>> Thanks Gregg Cline > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rich-m...@octoxol.com Fri Jan 9 13:34:23 2009 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Fri Jan 9 13:34:35 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request In-Reply-To: <7e8e90ff0901091137q6517f866n2e55031c1bd55...@mail.gmail.com> References: <440418481-1231519227-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-19827762...@bxe358.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <7e8e90ff0901091137q6517f866n2e55031c1bd55...@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4967c2df.8020...@octoxol.com> The interesting thing here is this latest eBay/PayPal mess is the result of scamers using the gullibility of eBay buyers and the governments (state and federal) desire to get their tax money. The stung buyers have howled loudly for "the government to do something" and the government has taken notice of all of the people who have run off at he mouth about how much money they make. So, if over 10,000 gross goes through your eBay account the feds will be notified on a 1099. And by driving most of the business through PayPal they have records now and bureaucracies love paper. And the bottom line is that he cost of doing business for both the buyer and seller has increased quite a bit on eBay due to this. And, yes your confirmed address is your billing address unless you call your CC company/bank and add your shipping address as an alternate. Then change it in PayPal. Mike Stitt wrote: > Interesting about Paypal and other countries. As eBay is PayPal only > (so to speak) I found it interesting when using a buy it now I could > not buy! Tho' PayPay has my bank acct # and CC # I have an unconfirmed > address as my address is a Po Box (no UPS) at home and my shipping > address is at work. If it had been an auction I would have been > pissed. I wrote the buyer who changed his profile to allow shipping to > the unconfirmed address (work). My CC goes to the house btw as it is > prudent not to mix business and hobby.* So now what? Seems if you list > PayPal as the only way to pay you are at it's mercy. A bit of a mess. > I would remind eBay that capitalism has only one master and one master > only..........the buyer. > Take a look at eBay, PayPal is it. I guess you should write the > sellers and ask if other options exist, otherwise eBay's check-out > will put you right to PayPal or in my case maybe not... As a buyer I > find this to be out of line. > Oldcranky. Mike > * Where you're CC bill is mailed has to be your shipping address to be > confirmed as I understand it. > > > 2009/1/9 <john9...@pacbell.net>: >> I use western union all the time with international business. It is safe >> because you pick up the cash, sent in your name, before you ship anything >> out. It is far safer than a check or money order, and is commonly used when >> doing business in south america. There are several countries there that >> don't have paypal, by the way. >> ------Original Message------ >> From: George Glastris >> Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request >> Sent: Jan 9, 2009 5:39 AM >> >> Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is usually when >> people demand payment that way. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gregory Cline" <zonoph...@woh.rr.com> >> To: <phono-l@oldcrank.org> >> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request >> >> >>> Happy new year to all! >>> >>> I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request from a >>> potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants to >>> know >>> if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if this is >>> a >>> potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no >>> experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts >>> welcome. >>> Thanks Gregg Cline >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From zonophone2...@aol.com Fri Jan 9 14:24:48 2009 From: zonophone2...@aol.com (zonophone2...@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 9 14:25:07 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request Message-ID: <c0a.5190d3cc.36992...@aol.com> hi all i have heard also besides the 10000 limit both on sales and the amount of one sale there is also a transactions number they are watching too that is the irs so beware and be careful In a message dated 1/9/2009 4:35:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rich-m...@octoxol.com writes: The interesting thing here is this latest eBay/PayPal mess is the result of scamers using the gullibility of eBay buyers and the governments (state and federal) desire to get their tax money. The stung buyers have howled loudly for "the government to do something" and the government has taken notice of all of the people who have run off at he mouth about how much money they make. So, if over 10,000 gross goes through your eBay account the feds will be notified on a 1099. And by driving most of the business through PayPal they have records now and bureaucracies love paper. And the bottom line is that he cost of doing business for both the buyer and seller has increased quite a bit on eBay due to this. And, yes your confirmed address is your billing address unless you call your CC company/bank and add your shipping address as an alternate. Then change it in PayPal. Mike Stitt wrote: > Interesting about Paypal and other countries. As eBay is PayPal only > (so to speak) I found it interesting when using a buy it now I could > not buy! Tho' PayPay has my bank acct # and CC # I have an unconfirmed > address as my address is a Po Box (no UPS) at home and my shipping > address is at work. If it had been an auction I would have been > pissed. I wrote the buyer who changed his profile to allow shipping to > the unconfirmed address (work). My CC goes to the house btw as it is > prudent not to mix business and hobby.* So now what? Seems if you list > PayPal as the only way to pay you are at it's mercy. A bit of a mess. > I would remind eBay that capitalism has only one master and one master > only..........the buyer. > Take a look at eBay, PayPal is it. I guess you should write the > sellers and ask if other options exist, otherwise eBay's check-out > will put you right to PayPal or in my case maybe not... As a buyer I > find this to be out of line. > Oldcranky. Mike > * Where you're CC bill is mailed has to be your shipping address to be > confirmed as I understand it. > > > 2009/1/9 <john9...@pacbell.net>: >> I use western union all the time with international business. It is safe because you pick up the cash, sent in your name, before you ship anything out. It is far safer than a check or money order, and is commonly used when doing business in south america. There are several countries there that don't have paypal, by the way. >> ------Original Message------ >> From: George Glastris >> Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request >> Sent: Jan 9, 2009 5:39 AM >> >> Normally I'd say avoid like the proverbial plague, but that is usually when >> people demand payment that way. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gregory Cline" <zonoph...@woh.rr.com> >> To: <phono-l@oldcrank.org> >> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:23 AM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request >> >> >>> Happy new year to all! >>> >>> I have an auction running on eBay currently and have had a request from a >>> potential bidder in Brazil. He claims not to have Pay Pal and wants to >>> know >>> if I can accept Western Union. Does anyone have insights as to if this is >>> a >>> potential scam that I am unaware of? I am hesitant to agree with no >>> experience using Western Union as a payment source. Any thoughts >>> welcome. >>> Thanks Gregg Cline >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From rich-m...@octoxol.com Fri Jan 9 16:22:41 2009 From: rich-m...@octoxol.com (Rich) Date: Fri Jan 9 16:22:52 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay payment request In-Reply-To: <c0a.5190d3cc.36992...@aol.com> References: <c0a.5190d3cc.36992...@aol.com> Message-ID: <4967ea51.7060...@octoxol.com> Big Brother wants to spread the wealth around and some people have been holding out. Hey are watching the auction sites closely. Your credit card company has to file reports on some amount of transactions so they can search for any hidden income also. zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: > hi all > i have heard also besides the 10000 limit both on sales and the amount of > one sale there is also a transactions number they are watching too > that is the irs > so beware and be careful > > > In a message dated 1/9/2009 4:35:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rich-m...@octoxol.com writes: > > The interesting thing here is this latest eBay/PayPal mess is the result > of scamers using the gullibility of eBay buyers and the governments > (state and federal) desire to get their tax money. The stung buyers > have howled loudly for "the government to do something" and the > government has taken notice of all of the people who have run off at he > mouth about how much money they make. So, if over 10,000 gross goes > through your eBay account the feds will be notified on a 1099. And by > driving most of the business through PayPal they have records now and > bureaucracies love paper. > > And the bottom line is that he cost of doing business for both the buyer > and seller has increased quite a bit on eBay due to this. > > And, yes your confirmed address is your billing address unless you call > your CC company/bank and add your shipping address as an alternate. > Then change it in PayPal. > > > From valecnik57-p...@yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 00:43:55 2009 From: valecnik57-p...@yahoo.com (valecnik57-p...@yahoo.com) Date: Sat Jan 10 00:50:48 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] 1. Ebay payment request (Gregory Cline) References: <20090109200003.cc29c110...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com> Message-ID: <415168.51151...@web34502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greg, I live in Europe in the Czech Republic. Almost all bill payment here is by wire transfer or in some cases by going to the post office, paying cash and getting a receipt. I'm not totally sure about Western Union but I think it's just another form of wire transfer but once the money hits your accunt I think you are safe. Bruce From john9...@pacbell.net Sat Jan 10 04:54:42 2009 From: john9...@pacbell.net (john9...@pacbell.net) Date: Sat Jan 10 04:55:21 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] 1. Ebay payment request (Gregory Cline) Message-ID: <1332774400-1231592106-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1940400...@bxe358.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> The money doesn't go to your bank account, you pick up the cash at any western union location. They are in many supermarkets at the service desk, many RiteAid stores, I think the UPS Stores have it too. Check the phone book. ------Original Message------ From: valecnik57-p...@yahoo.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: phono-l@oldcrank.org ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] 1. Ebay payment request (Gregory Cline) Sent: Jan 10, 2009 12:43 AM Greg, I live in Europe in the Czech Republic. Almost all bill payment here is by wire transfer or in some cases by going to the post office, paying cash and getting a receipt. I'm not totally sure about Western Union but I think it's just another form of wire transfer but once the money hits your accunt I think you are safe. Bruce _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
