What is the auction number of this Columbia? In a message dated 4/9/2009 8:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gpaul2...@aol.com writes:
I'm amazed - - I expected it would go for twice that much! -----Original Message----- From: phonofo...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Graphophone K Whoever won beat out howard hazelcorn. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Horenstein <jay.horenst...@gmail.com> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 7:44 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Graphophone K OK, who?s the proud owner? o virus found in this outgoing message. hecked by AVG. ersion: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.49/2050 - Release Date: 4/9/2009 0:27 AM ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) From john9...@pacbell.net Thu Apr 9 18:23:00 2009 From: john9...@pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Thu Apr 9 18:23:05 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Items sold and new offer Message-ID: <65933.53214...@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All Thanks to you generous list members, the only items left from my sale list are: HMV model 104 phono; Marie Dressler cylinder, Rastus Take Me Back; Fireside repro crane. The Model 104 is being considered by three different people, but the remaining items I am going to offer as a discount as a thank you to the list. ? Marie Dressler BA - $95 postpaid Freside repro crane - $20 postpaid ? If interested, let me know off list. Thanks again to all of you who bought. This list is better than ebay! ? From john9...@pacbell.net Thu Apr 9 18:24:36 2009 From: john9...@pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Thu Apr 9 18:24:41 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Concern Message-ID: <459308.63363...@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi My Vic III sold on ebay. To a guy in China. That sort of scared me, and he only has 11 feedback ratings, but I read every one and they are all for phonograph related items, and they are all very good ratings, a couple by people I know. So I assume he is ok. I just keep thinking of all those crapophones on ebay that come from China..and all those purported antiques..scary. But he seems ok..... John From harveykrav...@yahoo.com Thu Apr 9 19:44:55 2009 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com (harvey kravitz) Date: Thu Apr 9 19:45:04 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay & Vic III for sale In-Reply-To: <7e8e90ff0904091437s33d4b46fvb4987650f3f86...@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <386346.63004...@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I no longer buy from ebay. I am Phonofreak56 and I have over 1600 pos. feed-backs. I got booted off ebay(no great loss) because I refused to pay by pay pal. Here's what happened: There were 2 newbie sellers that didn't mention pay pal only or required. I win the items and immediately ask the sellers for their address so I can send payment. No response came to me. A few days later, I get an email asking why I haven't paid. I respond that I need an address so I can mail payment, and pay pal only or required was not stated. A few days pass and I get two strikes for non payment. I sent an email saying that pay pal was not mentioned in the auctions. I get a "canned" answer from someone who doesn't know English. My question was skirted and avoided. The straw that broke the camel's back went like this. I won a really nice VV50 with a 3 digit serial number. I paid for the item and had it in my possession. Then I get a third strike and booted off. Like before, I emailed ebay and the typical response like before. The buyers have no rights and it sucks being at the mercy of an unscrupulous seller. They will take the word of a newbie with 20 pos. feed-backs over some one with over 1600. Go figure. Now I buy from fellow collectors and from shows. F**K ebay. I have no use for it. I notice that ITG classified are getting bigger before the ebay craze. Thanks guys for allowing me to sound off. Harvey Kravitz, Phonofreak56 --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Mike Stitt <smst...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Mike Stitt <smst...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay & Vic III for sale To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 2:37 PM Al, This list is one! Phonographs shows another. My real point was that some of us with really nice stuff (me for one) don't sell often but like John do so from time to time. In the past you just put your item up and tell folks MO or check or ???. Now it's PayPal or nothing. As someone who always felt eBay was a good venue but rarely sell it is not attractive for me and perhaps others if you need a Paypal acct (merchant account?). This may lead to some nice items *not* being on eBay. Not all of us are dealers. Further more, fees now can range up to 15% I'm told. The whole idea of eBay was that collectors could join together (Pez, remember) to sell their items. It is the social side of the hobby that brings new blood to the table to buy those common machines as well. Then they turn into advanced collectors. Omar knew this as eBay always tried to have a "community." Forcing Paypal I suggest will keep some of us casual sellers away. I have found another effective venue is calling people up and asking if they want buy a phongraph. Well they say too much money, so you put it on eBay and they buy it for more...Bwahahahaha I see your point however. Why not let it be the market place is was and should be? Hey Al how the heck you been. Will I see you at Salem? Mike On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Albert <cen...@comcast.net> wrote: > Mike: What other venues are there? Advanced collectors are not going to > buy common machines, or if they do they wont pay retail.. I too hate Ebay, > but I love to sell machines there because I have always got great prices and > they sell quickly. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Stitt" <smst...@gmail.com> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay & Vic III for sale > > > > I thought we had talked about this here. I may be wrong. When eBay forces >> PayPal they collect a % on shipping fees as well. I thought I had bemoaned >> the fact that many collectors who are not dealers but very "casual" >> sellers >> will find "taking PayPal" way to much of a burden for an occasional sell. >> We >> collectors tend to fuel eBay with some very nice stuff when we decide to >> let >> go. eBay will effectively drive away sellers with good stuff and buyers as >> well. I don't mean it will doom eBay and super rare stuff will still show >> up......with the flea market stuff. The middle road people may find it >> easier to sell in another venue. I will not establish a sellers PayPal >> account for the few nice pieces I wish sell each year. I've been an eBay >> member since 1997 and my feedback is a whopping 107. I see many phono >> items >> in the last few months for sale on this list. Keep it up. Hey no fees and >> you are dealing with people you know...sort of.... Collecting is fun when >> it >> is part of a social network, at least to me it is.. >> Mike >> >> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Abe Feder <abefed...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> John, >>> You can take ck's you just do not put it in your add. If you not a very >>> small number say "Pay Pal account required" If they do I by pass them. I >>> send them in ask a question if they take cks or cc and they always say >>> yes.Ebay really messed up my account when they hit me with increased >>> fee's >>> that I just did not know about. After three months of trying to get it >>> square-I just do not do pay pal. >>> Abe Feder >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:04 AM, john robles <john9...@pacbell.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Okay, it finally happend. Afte defending eBay (mentally if not >>> physically >>> > on this board) for a long time, I got my comeupance today. Two days ago >>> > I >>> > put several items on eBa for sale, including a nice Vic III that I > >>> have. >>> I >>> > am DESPERATELY trying to raise $2800 in a short time to buy a harp to >>> > replace mine (which developed structural problems). I need to raise > >>> this >>> > money SOON! So I listed some phonoe items that were near and dear to > >>> my >>> > heart, including the III. You may remember what I went through trying > >>> to >>> get >>> > a back bracket for it. >>> > So this morning, I find that eBay has REMOVED my items because I did > >>> the >>> > unholy deed of saying I accept Paypal and personal checks (held for >>> > clearance). Apparently you cannot accept mone order or personal checks >>> > on >>> > ebay any more. I didn't know this because I don't read every piece of >>> > claptrap that ebay sends me. I use the Turbolister to create my > >>> listings, >>> > and it caugh that I offered to accept money orders, and it gave me an >>> error >>> > code on that. So I changed it. BUT it did NOT give me an error code on >>> the >>> > term personal checks. So I guess some grunt at ebay whose job it is to >>> > check such things found it and pulled m auctions. I had $460 in bids on >>> the >>> > III when it was pulled. They sent some sort of email to my bidders >>> telling >>> > them the items were being pulled. I was FURIOUS. I wrote them an angry >>> > letter, and they basicall said too bad. They were nice about it, bt at >>> the >>> > end of the letter it said I should not respond because they would not >>> > receive it. Nice >>> > and caring. Anyhoe I relisted most of the stuff, and the Vic III is >>> item >>> > number 110374580209. I am so desperate to raise the cash that my buy > >>> it >>> now >>> > on this item is only $1995, which is less money than I have into it. So >>> if >>> > you want a deal, there it is. As for ebay, they disguise their > >>> corporate >>> > greed behid the veil of 'protecting their sellers from fraud'. They own >>> > Paypal, so of course they want you to use it exclusively. Arrgh. Thanks >>> for >>> > leting me vent. And thanks for reading this far. >>> > John RObles >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Phono-L mailing list >>> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From rvu...@comcast.net Fri Apr 10 05:52:39 2009 From: rvu...@comcast.net (Bob) Date: Fri Apr 10 05:52:47 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay & Vic III for sale References: <386346.63004...@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8a001ec9aa534f59a57a939f78b65...@your4dacd0ea75> I too think the eBay PayPal only policy stinks. But I can't understand why you as a buyer object to paying that way. It's certainly easier, faster, cheaper and safer for buyers. The sellers are the ones that get nailed. I still buy on ebay but haven't sold there since they initiated this policy ----- Original Message ----- From: "harvey kravitz" <harveykrav...@yahoo.com> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay & Vic III for sale >I no longer buy from ebay. I am Phonofreak56 and I have over 1600 pos. >feed-backs. I got booted off ebay(no great loss) because I refused to pay >by pay pal. Here's what happened: There were 2 newbie sellers that didn't >mention pay pal only or required. I win the items and immediately ask the >sellers for their address so I can send payment. No response came to me. A >few days later, I get an email asking why I haven't paid. I respond that I >need an address so I can mail payment, and pay pal only or required was not >stated. A few days pass and I get two strikes for non payment. I sent an >email saying that pay pal was not mentioned in the auctions. I get a >"canned" answer from someone who doesn't know English. My question was >skirted and avoided. The straw that broke the camel's back went like this. >I won a really nice VV50 with a 3 digit serial number. I paid for the item >and had it in my possession. Then I get a third strike and booted off. Like >before, I > emailed ebay and the typical response like before. The buyers have no > rights and it sucks being at the mercy of an unscrupulous seller. They > will take the word of a newbie with 20 pos. feed-backs over some one with > over 1600. Go figure. Now I buy from fellow collectors and from shows. > F**K ebay. I have no use for it. I notice that ITG classified are getting > bigger before the ebay craze. Thanks guys for allowing me to sound off. > Harvey Kravitz, Phonofreak56 > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Mike Stitt <smst...@gmail.com> wrote: > From: Mike Stitt <smst...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay & Vic III for sale > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 2:37 PM > > Al, > This list is one! Phonographs shows another. My real point was that some > of > us with really nice stuff (me for one) don't sell often but like John do > so > from time to time. In the past you just put your item up and tell folks MO > or check or ???. Now it's PayPal or nothing. As someone who always felt > eBay > was a good venue but rarely sell it is not attractive for me and perhaps > others if you need a Paypal acct (merchant account?). This may lead to > some > nice items *not* being on eBay. Not all of us are dealers. Further more, > fees now can range up to 15% I'm told. The whole idea of eBay was that > collectors could join together (Pez, remember) to sell their items. It is > the social side of the hobby that brings new blood to the table to buy > those > common machines as well. Then they turn into advanced collectors. > Omar knew this as eBay always tried to have a "community." > > Forcing Paypal I suggest will keep some of us casual sellers away. I have > found another effective venue is calling people up and asking if they want > buy a phongraph. > > > Well they say too much money, so you put it on eBay and they buy it for > more...Bwahahahaha > I see your point however. Why not let it be the market place is was and > should be? > > Hey Al how the heck you been. Will I see you at Salem? > Mike > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Albert <cen...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Mike: What other venues are there? Advanced collectors are not going to >> buy common machines, or if they do they wont pay retail.. I too hate > Ebay, >> but I love to sell machines there because I have always got great prices > and >> they sell quickly. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Stitt" > <smst...@gmail.com> >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> >> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay & Vic III for sale >> >> >> >> I thought we had talked about this here. I may be wrong. When eBay >> forces >>> PayPal they collect a % on shipping fees as well. I thought I had > bemoaned >>> the fact that many collectors who are not dealers but very > "casual" >>> sellers >>> will find "taking PayPal" way to much of a burden for an > occasional sell. >>> We >>> collectors tend to fuel eBay with some very nice stuff when we decide > to >>> let >>> go. eBay will effectively drive away sellers with good stuff and > buyers as >>> well. I don't mean it will doom eBay and super rare stuff will > still show >>> up......with the flea market stuff. The middle road people may find it >>> easier to sell in another venue. I will not establish a sellers PayPal >>> account for the few nice pieces I wish sell each year. I've been > an eBay >>> member since 1997 and my feedback is a whopping 107. I see many phono >>> items >>> in the last few months for sale on this list. Keep it up. Hey no fees > and >>> you are dealing with people you know...sort of.... Collecting is fun > when >>> it >>> is part of a social network, at least to me it is.. >>> Mike >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Abe Feder <abefed...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>> >>> John, >>>> You can take ck's you just do not put it in your add. If you > not a very >>>> small number say "Pay Pal account required" If they do I > by pass them. I >>>> send them in ask a question if they take cks or cc and they always > say >>>> yes.Ebay really messed up my account when they hit me with > increased >>>> fee's >>>> that I just did not know about. After three months of trying to > get it >>>> square-I just do not do pay pal. >>>> Abe Feder >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:04 AM, john robles > <john9...@pacbell.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Okay, it finally happend. Afte defending eBay (mentally if > not >>>> physically >>>> > on this board) for a long time, I got my comeupance today. > Two days ago >>>> > I >>>> > put several items on eBa for sale, including a nice Vic III > that I > >>>> have. >>>> I >>>> > am DESPERATELY trying to raise $2800 in a short time to buy a > harp to >>>> > replace mine (which developed structural problems). I need > to raise > >>>> this >>>> > money SOON! So I listed some phonoe items that were near and > dear to > >>>> my >>>> > heart, including the III. You may remember what I went > through trying > >>>> to >>>> get >>>> > a back bracket for it. >>>> > So this morning, I find that eBay has REMOVED my items > because I did > >>>> the >>>> > unholy deed of saying I accept Paypal and personal checks > (held for >>>> > clearance). Apparently you cannot accept mone order or > personal checks >>>> > on >>>> > ebay any more. I didn't know this because I don't > read every piece of >>>> > claptrap that ebay sends me. I use the Turbolister to create > my > >>>> listings, >>>> > and it caugh that I offered to accept money orders, and it > gave me an >>>> error >>>> > code on that. So I changed it. BUT it did NOT give me an > error code on >>>> the >>>> > term personal checks. So I guess some grunt at ebay whose > job it is to >>>> > check such things found it and pulled m auctions. I had $460 > in bids on >>>> the >>>> > III when it was pulled. They sent some sort of email to my > bidders >>>> telling >>>> > them the items were being pulled. I was FURIOUS. I wrote them > an angry >>>> > letter, and they basicall said too bad. They were nice about > it, bt at >>>> the >>>> > end of the letter it said I should not respond because they > would not >>>> > receive it. Nice >>>> > and caring. Anyhoe I relisted most of the stuff, and the > Vic III is >>>> item >>>> > number 110374580209. I am so desperate to raise the cash > that my buy > >>>> it >>>> now >>>> > on this item is only $1995, which is less money than I have > into it. So >>>> if >>>> > you want a deal, there it is. As for ebay, they disguise > their > >>>> corporate >>>> > greed behid the veil of 'protecting their sellers from > fraud'. They own >>>> > Paypal, so of course they want you to use it exclusively. > Arrgh. Thanks >>>> for >>>> > leting me vent. And thanks for reading this far. >>>> > John RObles >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Phono-L mailing list >>>> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >_______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.49/2050 - Release Date: 04/09/09 10:27:00
