Hi John, I sent the seller a message and a link to the "Crapophone" website. He sent me a message saying he added an amendment to the listing. I checked it and here it is: On Aug-17-10 at 07:36:36 PDT, seller added the following information:
Note: I have received conflicting ideas regarding the authenticity of this item. It is possible that some parts have been replaced, or that it is a reproduction. I recommend all buyers to look closely at the pictures. He added this, in small print, below the very large description. That being said, I found a bunch of the same thing with prices ranging from $100-250 for "Authentic, Antique" Gramophone/Phonograph/Crapophones. This stuff is ruining eBay... Several months ago, I watched two or three listings of needle tins that included small collections of very rare tins from a seller in Hamburg, Germany. Each one was snapped up at the last minute by the same bidder. I finally decided to bid on a new listing of approx. 70 tins, some very rare along with original advertising. The pictures were slightly hazy, but you could recognize the rare tins when you enlarged the pics. The bids were quite low and assuming the same bidder would snipe it at the end, I put in an extra generous bid, but still within reason for what was represented. I won the auction and the previous bidder on the other auctions, drove my bid to the max. When I finally got them, they were cleverly crafted forgeries that I paid 200 euros for. I wrote the seller and asked him what he thought he was doing. He admitted that they were fakes, but said he disclosed it in small print (in German). I went back and looked at all of his previous auctions and no disclosure, b ut on this particular one he added an additional word in front of authentic. Thankfully, I paid with PayPal and after investigating, they paid me back. Lesson learned... Curt > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > From: john9...@pacbell.net > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:32:29 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 > > The seller said they would amend the description. We'll see... > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Henry <phonowo...@hotmail.com> > Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:27:23 > To: <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 > > > Hey! The Crapophone is up to $1.25! That's exactly how much merchandise I > sold at the CAPS show last weekend! > > > From: phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org > > Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 99 > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:00:02 -0700 > > > > Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to > > phono-l@oldcrank.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." > > > > > > If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire > > digest in your message. > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Ebay Fraud (john robles) > > 2. Re: Ebay Fraud (ronbr...@aol.com) > > 3. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) > > 4. Re: Ebay Fraud (Ron L'Herault) > > 5. Re: Ebay Fraud (bruce78...@comcast.net) > > 6. Re: Ebay Fraud (harvey kravitz) > > 7. Re: Ebay Fraud (Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) > > From: john robles <john9...@pacbell.net> > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > Message-ID: <884085.82901...@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me > > because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It > > burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. > > Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help > > it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must > > have a bunch of crap. > > Item number:? 250683868557 > > John Robles > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:37:03 -0400 > > From: ronbr...@aol.com > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > Message-ID: <8cd0bd497b95960-1538-5...@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > > > Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and > > avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? > > Its a steal at that price! :) It would be worth paying the 99 cents > > just to take it and smash it to bits. > > > > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: john robles <john9...@pacbell.net> > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm > > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me > > because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. > > It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some > > education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I > > couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as > > they say, they must have a bunch of crap. > > Item number:? 250683868557 > > John Robles > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:53:12 -0400 > > From: "Ron L'Herault" <lhera...@bu.edu> > > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > Message-ID: <004701cb3e0b$26b59d70$60d62...@ad.bu.edu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > It probably is an all original machine-no new repro parts, just the ones it > > came with originally. The reproducer does look better than other crapophone > > units I've seen though. > > > > Ron L > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > > Behalf Of john robles > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:19 PM > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me > > because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It > > burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not > > accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help > > it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must > > have a bunch of crap. > > Item number:? 250683868557 > > John Robles > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:54:42 -0400 > > From: "Ron L'Herault" <lhera...@bu.edu> > > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > Message-ID: <004801cb3e0b$5c546bf0$60d62...@ad.bu.edu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > I'd buy the horn. Someone sent me a hornless crapophone that I am altering > > to make it play better. Buy it. I'll give you $15 plus shipping for the > > horn. > > > > Ron L > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > > Behalf Of ronbr...@aol.com > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:37 PM > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > > Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and > > avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? > > Its a steal at that price! :) It would be worth paying the 99 cents > > just to take it and smash it to bits. > > > > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: john robles <john9...@pacbell.net> > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm > > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me > > because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. > > It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some > > education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I > > couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as > > they say, they must have a bunch of crap. > > Item number:? 250683868557 > > John Robles > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:10:19 +0000 (UTC) > > From: bruce78...@comcast.net > > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > Message-ID: > > <1196961414.56516.1282050619546.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Yes great Idea, buy it, take off the horn and sell it to Ron, and then > > smash that craponola to bits with a sledge hammer!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron L'Herault" <lhera...@bu.edu> > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:54:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > > I'd buy the horn. Someone sent me a hornless crapophone that I am altering > > to make it play better. Buy it. I'll give you $15 plus shipping for the > > horn. > > > > Ron L > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > > Behalf Of ronbr...@aol.com > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:37 PM > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > > Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and > > avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? > > Its a steal at that price! :) It would be worth paying the 99 cents > > just to take it and smash it to bits. > > > > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: john robles <john9...@pacbell.net> > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm > > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me > > because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. > > It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some > > education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I > > couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as > > they say, they must have a bunch of crap. > > Item number: 250683868557 > > John Robles > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:15:43 -0700 (PDT) > > From: harvey kravitz <harveykrav...@yahoo.com> > > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > Message-ID: <869953.48270...@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > I'd buy the machine for the reproducer. It is an original HMV No. 5 or 5A. > > It's > > hard to tell by the photos. > > Harvey Kravitz > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "bruce78...@comcast.net" <bruce78...@comcast.net> > > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > > Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 6:10:19 AM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > > Yes great Idea, buy it, take off the horn and sell it to Ron, and then > > smash > > that craponola to bits with a sledge hammer!! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron L'Herault" <lhera...@bu.edu> > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:54:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > > I'd buy the horn. Someone sent me a hornless crapophone that I am altering > > to make it play better. Buy it. I'll give you $15 plus shipping for the > > horn. > > > > Ron L > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > > Behalf Of ronbr...@aol.com > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:37 PM > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > > Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and > > avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? > > Its a steal at that price! :) It would be worth paying the 99 cents > > just to take it and smash it to bits. > > > > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: john robles <john9...@pacbell.net> > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm > > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me > > because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. > > It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some > > education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I > > couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as > > they say, they must have a bunch of crap. > > Item number: 250683868557 > > John Robles > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:18:46 -0700 > > From: "Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD)" <brya...@dshs.wa.gov> > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > Message-ID: > > <d1bc03a700c3c842b6cdce7d0953d5cc01939...@dshsmxoly1504o.dshs.wa.lcl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Hey Harvey! Good to see you guys at the radio swap meet on Sunday! > > > > ~Ron > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] > > On Behalf Of harvey kravitz > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:16 AM > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > > I'd buy the machine for the reproducer. It is an original HMV No. 5 or > > 5A. It's > > hard to tell by the photos. > > Harvey Kravitz > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "bruce78...@comcast.net" <bruce78...@comcast.net> > > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > > Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 6:10:19 AM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > > Yes great Idea, buy it, take off the horn and sell it to Ron, and then > > smash > > that craponola to bits with a sledge hammer!! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron L'Herault" <lhera...@bu.edu> > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:54:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > > I'd buy the horn. Someone sent me a hornless crapophone that I am > > altering > > to make it play better. Buy it. I'll give you $15 plus shipping for the > > horn. > > > > Ron L > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] > > On > > Behalf Of ronbr...@aol.com > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:37 PM > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > > Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and > > avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? > > Its a steal at that price! :) It would be worth paying the 99 cents > > just to take it and smash it to bits. > > > > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: john robles <john9...@pacbell.net> > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm > > Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud > > > > So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me > > because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. > > It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some > > education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I > > couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as > > they say, they must have a bunch of crap. > > Item number: 250683868557 > > John Robles > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
