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Looks like this is as close as one can get right now. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 2:00 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 319 Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to phono-l@oldcrank.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phono-l-requ...@oldcrank.org You can reach the person managing the list at phono-l-ow...@oldcrank.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message. Today's Topics: 1. Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist (bruce78...@comcast.net) 2. Re: Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist (Rick Mazur) 3. Re: Modern Cylinder Boxes - ARSC Project (srsel...@aol.com) 4. Re: Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist (bruce78...@comcast.net) 5. Wayne Phonograph Show Photos (Robin & Joan Rolfs) 6. Re: Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist (William Zucca) 7. Re: Wayne Phonograph Show Photos (bruce78...@comcast.net) 8. Re: Wayne Phonograph Show Photos (rpm...@aol.com) 9. Re: Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist (bruce78...@comcast.net) 10. Re: Wayne Phonograph Show Photos (Jim Keuler) 11. Re: Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist (Rick Mazur) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:43:38 +0000 (UTC) From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Phono-L <Phono-L@oldcrank.org> Subject: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Message-ID: <2123021412.981580.1319028218195.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.c omcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost immediately I was contacted by two crooks/scammers. Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that a certain % of Sellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con artists would not be trying it. Hello, I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and you will receive check payment in excess over the item price. The check is already signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are receiving over payment because it includes shipper's fee, commission along side due payments. So, expect pickup because you are not expected to ship. I understand that you will only allow the shipping company to pickup from your location after you might have received the check. In addition, the check will be sent as soon as you agree with me to deduct your earnings and send the balance through western union office or location. Kindly get back to me ASAP with your full name, address and phone# as it will be written on the check. Kindly have the item removed off advertisement as it is deemed sold and inform me once done. Regards ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:23:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Mazur <phonofo...@aol.com> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Message-ID: <8ce5c796bf23b20-1930-2...@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Bruce and all: This happens all the time. When I posted items on craigslist I receive emails from people who said I can work from home and make $3000 a week!! Others inlcude onel liners asking "Is the item still available?" You respond and then you receive an email promoting a job opportunity. Best to ignore these emails and not respond. Rick -----Original Message----- From: bruce78rpm <bruce78...@comcast.net> To: Phono-L <Phono-L@oldcrank.org> Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 8:57 am Subject: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost immediately I was ontacted by two crooks/scammers. Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that a certain % of ellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con artists would not be rying it. ello, I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and you will eceive check payment in excess over the item price. The check is lready signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are receiving ver payment because it includes shipper's fee, commission along side ue payments. So, expect pickup because you are not expected to ship. I understand hat you will only allow the shipping company to pickup from your ocation after you might have received the check. In addition, the check will be sent as soon as you agree with me to educt your earnings and send the balance through western union office r location. Kindly get back to me ASAP with your full name, address nd phone# as it will be written on the check. Kindly have the item emoved off advertisement as it is deemed sold and inform me once one. Regards ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:50:13 -0400 (EDT) From: srsel...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Modern Cylinder Boxes - ARSC Project Message-ID: <10c69.2e6d5ffb.3bd02...@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Actually The Library of Congress funded an "affordable archival cylinder box" project for ARSC which just ended last year. Check out info on Page 10 and 11 here: _http://www.arsc-audio.org/newsletter/nslr124.pdf_ (http://www.arsc-audio.org/newsletter/nslr124.pdf) They are not commercially available yet though. Steve ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:05:04 +0000 (UTC) From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Message-ID: <1405299195.986099.1319033104402.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.c omcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The Problem is that the initial inquiry such as "Can you please tell me if this item is still available, I have an interest", sounds legitimate and so of course you respond, only to get the type of scammer nonsense like I previously displayed in my original email. I have bought and sold items on Craigslist before and have never actually encountered one of these CROOKS, but now the scams and fraud seems to be of epidemic proportions with no end in sight. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Mazur" <phonofo...@aol.com> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:23:28 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Hi Bruce and all: This happens all the time. When I posted items on craigslist I receive emails from people who said I can work from home and make $3000 a week!! Others inlcude onel liners asking "Is the item still available?" You respond and then you receive an email promoting a job opportunity. Best to ignore these emails and not respond. Rick -----Original Message----- From: bruce78rpm <bruce78...@comcast.net> To: Phono-L <Phono-L@oldcrank.org> Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 8:57 am Subject: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost immediately I was ontacted by two crooks/scammers. Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that a certain % of ellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con artists would not be rying it. ello, I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and you will eceive check payment in excess over the item price. The check is lready signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are receiving ver payment because it includes shipper's fee, commission along side ue payments. So, expect pickup because you are not expected to ship. I understand hat you will only allow the shipping company to pickup from your ocation after you might have received the check. In addition, the check will be sent as soon as you agree with me to educt your earnings and send the balance through western union office r location. Kindly get back to me ASAP with your full name, address nd phone# as it will be written on the check. Kindly have the item emoved off advertisement as it is deemed sold and inform me once one. Regards ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:54:31 -0500 From: "Robin & Joan Rolfs" <nip...@dataex.com> To: "Phono-L" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: [Phono-L] Wayne Phonograph Show Photos Message-ID: <F4239CE9B2CB442B86D0BBFCAFEEEA05@owner094cc0223> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Greetings, The Wayne NJ phonograph show held on October 8-9 was better than ever. More vendors, more customers and perfect fall weather. Sales and trades were brisk and new collectors were in attendance. Michael Devecka is an excellent promoter and has the show well organized. We again took photos of the Saturday outdoor sales and Sunday Show. Some hurried caption errors: Apologies to "Croak'n" Frog, "Archeophone" and the Columbia is a "Treadle." Enjoy. You can view photos of the show at: http://www.wimaps.org/ Click on Photos and then Wayne Show. Robin & Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:50:23 -0400 From: William Zucca <rochr...@gmail.com> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Message-ID: <cae_rufj5ge60kxe1_mfrqbtz7ddkbywktm5qdwb6eoyw1e5...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What a load of crap. I hate those guys. I was confused the first time they tried it with me and I only wonder how many less sophisticated, first-time craigslist sellers give up after not being able to figure out what the hell is going on with these messages. Some sellers ask for a phone number from anyone writing to inquire about an item and say they won't respond without one. I always give my phone number when inquiring about a sale. These idiots make it harder to buy and sell on craigslist and make craigslist users mistrust everyone else who uses it. Damn them. GrnMountainBill On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:43 AM, <bruce78...@comcast.net> wrote: > I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost immediately I > was contacted by two crooks/scammers. > > Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that a certain % > of Sellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con artists would > not be trying it. > > > Hello, > > I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and you will > receive check payment in excess over the item price. The check is > already signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are receiving > over payment because it includes shipper's fee, commission along side > due payments. > > So, expect pickup because you are not expected to ship. I understand > that you will only allow the shipping company to pickup from your > location after you might have received the check. > > In addition, the check will be sent as soon as you agree with me to > deduct your earnings and send the balance through western union office > or location. Kindly get back to me ASAP with your full name, address > and phone# as it will be written on the check. Kindly have the item > removed off advertisement as it is deemed sold and inform me once > done. > > Regards > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:56:48 +0000 (UTC) From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wayne Phonograph Show Photos Message-ID: <1169643814.989343.1319036208811.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.c omcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks for the photos. Was that an original 3 1/2' Paper Mache' Nipper that was included in a couple of your photos ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin & Joan Rolfs" <nip...@dataex.com> To: "Phono-L" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:54:31 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Wayne Phonograph Show Photos Greetings, The Wayne NJ phonograph show held on October 8-9 was better than ever. More vendors, more customers and perfect fall weather. Sales and trades were brisk and new collectors were in attendance. Michael Devecka is an excellent promoter and has the show well organized. We again took photos of the Saturday outdoor sales and Sunday Show. Some hurried caption errors: Apologies to "Croak'n" Frog, "Archeophone" and the Columbia is a "Treadle." Enjoy. You can view photos of the show at: http://www.wimaps.org/ Click on Photos and then Wayne Show. Robin & Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:55:26 -0400 (EDT) From: rpm...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wayne Phonograph Show Photos Message-ID: <49a6c.49796d1d.3bd03...@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hooray for Mike Devecka ! pc In a message dated 10/19/2011 10:38:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nip...@dataex.com writes: Greetings, The Wayne NJ phonograph show held on October 8-9 was better than ever. More vendors, more customers and perfect fall weather. Sales and trades were brisk and new collectors were in attendance. Michael Devecka is an excellent promoter and has the show well organized. We again took photos of the Saturday outdoor sales and Sunday Show. Some hurried caption errors: Apologies to "Croak'n" Frog, "Archeophone" and the Columbia is a "Treadle." Enjoy. You can view photos of the show at: http://www.wimaps.org/ Click on Photos and then Wayne Show. Robin & Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:04:31 +0000 (UTC) From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Message-ID: <285349679.989818.1319036671236.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.co mcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con artists who now appear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be discouraged from using it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries will continue to rise and rise. Is there a solution ? probably not. There are a 100 times as many as them, as there are those to track them down and stop this nonsense. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Zucca" <rochr...@gmail.com> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:50:23 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist What a load of crap. I hate those guys. I was confused the first time they tried it with me and I only wonder how many less sophisticated, first-time craigslist sellers give up after not being able to figure out what the hell is going on with these messages. Some sellers ask for a phone number from anyone writing to inquire about an item and say they won't respond without one. I always give my phone number when inquiring about a sale. These idiots make it harder to buy and sell on craigslist and make craigslist users mistrust everyone else who uses it. Damn them. GrnMountainBill On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:43 AM, <bruce78...@comcast.net> wrote: > I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost immediately I > was contacted by two crooks/scammers. > > Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that a certain % > of Sellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con artists would > not be trying it. > > > Hello, > > I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and you will > receive check payment in excess over the item price. The check is > already signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are receiving > over payment because it includes shipper's fee, commission along side > due payments. > > So, expect pickup because you are not expected to ship. I understand > that you will only allow the shipping company to pickup from your > location after you might have received the check. > > In addition, the check will be sent as soon as you agree with me to > deduct your earnings and send the balance through western union office > or location. Kindly get back to me ASAP with your full name, address > and phone# as it will be written on the check. Kindly have the item > removed off advertisement as it is deemed sold and inform me once > done. > > Regards > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:45:02 -0500 From: "Jim Keuler" <j...@phono-phixer.com> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wayne Phonograph Show Photos Message-ID: <16826D3F46B2434FA2919877BFAC15C1@JimPCW7> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response I have made the corrections Rob & Joan. Sorry about that folks! Jim www.phono-phixer.com www.wimaps.org www.kc9aod.com -----Original Message----- From: Robin & Joan Rolfs Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:54 AM To: Phono-L Subject: [Phono-L] Wayne Phonograph Show Photos Greetings, The Wayne NJ phonograph show held on October 8-9 was better than ever. More vendors, more customers and perfect fall weather. Sales and trades were brisk and new collectors were in attendance. Michael Devecka is an excellent promoter and has the show well organized. We again took photos of the Saturday outdoor sales and Sunday Show. Some hurried caption errors: Apologies to "Croak'n" Frog, "Archeophone" and the Columbia is a "Treadle." Enjoy. You can view photos of the show at: http://www.wimaps.org/ Click on Photos and then Wayne Show. Robin & Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Mazur <phonofo...@aol.com> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Message-ID: <8ce5c96ddcbfffd-1930-4...@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When the question is short like "Is the item still available?" always raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would ask " I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice to me and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the item. What alpha character after the serial numbbers appear on the id plate?" My point is the sincere inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt questio and he or she will use terms foundin your description and then elaborate with their questions. Conartists want to be brief and to the point before going off an scamming others. Just my thougts. -----Original Message----- From: bruce78rpm <bruce78...@comcast.net> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 11:46 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con artists who now ppear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be discouraged from sing it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries will continue to ise and rise. Is there a solution ? probably not. There are a 100 times as many s them, as there are those to track them down and stop this nonsense. ----- Original Message ----- rom: "William Zucca" <rochr...@gmail.com> o: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> ent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:50:23 AM ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist What a load of crap. I hate those guys. I was confused the first time they ried it with me and I only wonder how many less sophisticated, first-time raigslist sellers give up after not being able to figure out what the hell s going on with these messages. Some sellers ask for a phone number from anyone writing to inquire about an tem and say they won't respond without one. I always give my phone number hen inquiring about a sale. These idiots make it harder to buy and sell on craigslist and make raigslist users mistrust everyone else who uses it. Damn them. GrnMountainBill On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:43 AM, <bruce78...@comcast.net> wrote: > I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost immediately I was contacted by two crooks/scammers. Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that a certain % of Sellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con artists would not be trying it. Hello, I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and you will receive check payment in excess over the item price. The check is already signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are receiving over payment because it includes shipper's fee, commission along side due payments. So, expect pickup because you are not expected to ship. I understand that you will only allow the shipping company to pickup from your location after you might have received the check. In addition, the check will be sent as soon as you agree with me to deduct your earnings and send the balance through western union office or location. Kindly get back to me ASAP with your full name, address and phone# as it will be written on the check. Kindly have the item removed off advertisement as it is deemed sold and inform me once done. Regards _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 319 *************************************** _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
