The early ones need the tizit or when the carriage moves the rubber will lift
the horn up. The first crane with no spring was designed to work with the
tizit which allows the horn to lift up as there is no spring to absorb the
movement.
The one that uses the spring and horn rubber seals in all the sound.
I am not sure but I think the horizontal and 45 degree carriage is different, I
will have to check with Sitko to be sure, if they differ the upper C would have
the lower part 3 inches longer or shorter.
If you do use a tizit you can seal the sound in with grease like vaseline, you
have to watch it does not make a mess. The diamond C is designed with the
grooves in the sound tube to be used with Vaseline for lubrication and sealing
the sound in.
You are correct, grease would solve the sound leak and movement issues.
Steve
> From: a...@popyrus.com
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:19:54 -0700
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Cygnet Horn Crane
>
> Hi Steve ~
> I recall the Triumph horn crane issues coming up some time back on this
> forum. Can you elaborate if/when you have time, on the difference between
> the cranes made for the horizontal carriage vs. the cranes made for the
> angled carriage?
>
> I thought I'd resolve the tracking differences on my Triumph (Gfell Music
> Master, reproduction crane) with a Tiz-it, but was concerned about losing
> audio velocity as the carriage travels through its looser-fit positions
> during the course of playing a cylinder (snug-to-loose fit of Tiz-it to
> horn). With the rubber horn coupler (which I use to avoid Tiz-it losses),
> it's the usual problem of no matter how carefully the suspension spring is
> adjusted, there's a small portion of the tracking that fairly jams the
> carriage down to the straightedge, and the rest barely touches.
>
> A solution might be to secure the Tiz-it with an internal sleeve of rubber,
> to seal the upper (tapered) part of the Tiz-it to the inside of the horn
> stem, and allow the constant-diameter sleeve portion of the Tiz-it to ride up
> and down on the reproducer neck during play, the suspension spring being
> adjusted so the Tiz-it base just barely bottoms on the reproducer when the
> over all travel is at its closest position. This would be minimal loss of
> air pressure, but not as good as a rubber coupler, and would have the added
> disadvantage of wear to the nickel plating on the reproducer tube. A thin
> layer of white lithium grease, though a dust-catcher, might take care of
> these two deficits (sealing and friction wear).
>
> Would love to get your thoughts on this if you have time. Not urgent.
>
> Andrew Baron
> Santa Fe
>
> On Feb 27, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Steven Medved wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello Bob and list, There are several types of cranes. The early ones do
> > not have the spring at the top and require a metal tizit to work and are
> > not as high as the later ones which are made higher at the top to
> > accomodate the spring. The later ones have the spring at the top and need
> > to be higher to accomodate the spring. There are cranes that are made for
> > the horizontal carriage. There are cranes that are made for the 45 degree
> > carriages. The difference is about three inches in where it falls. I
> > would recommend Ron Sitko at 518-371-8549, you can call him in the evening
> > between 7 and 10 pm, he is in New York. Another guy had the same problem
> > and he called Ron and got the correct crane at a good price. Steve
> >
> >> From: rkolba0...@aol.com
> >> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:53:31 -0500
> >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> >> Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph Cygnet Horn Crane
> >>
> >>
> >> I have two Triumphs with O reproducers. One has an original cygnet crane
> >> (10" to the bend) and the other is a reproduction (8" to the
> >> bend)..obviously
> >> the wrong crane for this machine. I am looking for either an original or
> >> reproduction Triumph crane. Many thanks. Bob Kolba
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