Hello George P., I had meant the e-mail to be a private one, since it went to the list I will tell you how much I appreciate the article on the suitcase homes and the dates. I also never realized there was that gap. When Edison literature spoke of improvements such as the Model C coming in Feb 1902 I did not realize there was a gap of several months until these shipped. It now makes sense that Edison's company sent the Model C out as dealers samples Jan 6, 1902 as it would have been 4 - 5 months before they came on machines (based on my guess). Edison's company never had definite cut offs and you find earlier parts on later machines and reproducers. One example is the solid C weight that does not have the holes. The holes appeared in the 70,000 range on the C and D weights, yet sporadically and in 1910 the appeared again. I find the Edison factory mistakes and varieties very interesting like the Home with the Triumph ID plate and the Home serial number. Steve PS I am slowly becoming more precise, I will never achieve what you have.
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > From: gpaul2...@aol.com > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:10:18 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Thanks and the centering pin on the carriage > > To be precise, I'm pretty sure I wrote there could be a several month gap > between manufacture and shipping. This might be especially true for > slow-moving models like the Concert, or during the spring/summer months when > orders fell off. During the fall, the Edison Works was sometimes thousands of > machines behind schedule - which would close that manufacturing/shipping gap > to nearly zero. There are no hard and fast rules. > > > George P. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Medved <steve_nor...@msn.com> > To: phono-l <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > Sent: Thu, Dec 13, 2012 6:56 pm > Subject: [Phono-L] Thanks and the centering pin on the carriage > > > > Hello Al, Welcome back and thanks so very much. Angelo has a Gem that I > believe > the serial number is 42,000. Both the case and the carriage is missing so I > will let him know it is not the branded case Gem. I really appreciate the > information you sent me and I will save it. When you are rested we can > discuss > when the centering pin appeared on the Edison small carriage, I have an idea. > From George Paul I discovered there was a several month gap when the machines > were made and when they were shipped. Thanks again, Steve > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > From: clockworkh...@aol.com > > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:43:37 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Branded case Gem with Gem speaker (off list) > > > > > > Greetings Steve: > > > > I just returned from my Asia cruise and spotted your question. The Gem went > through a number of mechanical variations as well as esthetic ones from the > caseless version through the last of the keywound Model As. The carriages are > not interchangeable and the feedscrews with drive gears are not the same from > the first to the last As. The serial number range of the branded case Gem > stops > just after 36000. So, if the serial is 37000 or later then the banner varnish > transfer (decal) label is the correct one and the Gem Special Automatic > Speaker > was changed to the Model B Reproducer about the same time. (maybe even > together > at the same time) > > > > There is one seller on eBay who mixes parts and called a later branded case > Gem a 'transitional model' which drove me crazy! You cannot have a carriage > arm > built-in Gem Automatic up in the 36000s when a bayonet in Gem Special > Automatic > was introduced some 20,000 machines earlier... > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Al > > > > > > PS: Above information guaranteed to be 50% correct as I am still jet lagged > to the nth degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steven Medved <steve_nor...@msn.com> > > To: phonolist <phonol...@yahoogroups.com>; phono-l <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > > Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:41 am > > Subject: [Phono-L] Branded case Gem with Gem speaker > > > > > > > > If the carriage and the lid is missing how would you tell a branded case > > Gem > > from the later Gem with the Model B reproducer? The reproducers are not > > interchangeable, but is the carriages? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
