At 13:16 19/11/2005, Jani Taskinen wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Zeev Suraski wrote:
At 03:49 19/11/2005, Andi Gutmans wrote:
As I mentioned to Marcus, it seems odd to me to move reflection in the
first place. It seems to me to be very much a language feature and in my
opinion, should always be enabled. I can't really see a good reason for
this move.
I have to say that I don't see any good reason for this either. The idea
of "let's make it less broken" is vague, I don't see any reason why
extensionizing it would help any.
The only advantage I heard so far is that various users are likely to
bump into various problems, which may make Jani very happy, but is that a
real reason to go on? :)
I'm not the only one in the world who does not use that and does not need
it and would like to be able to disable it on will..
But where do we draw the line? Maybe we also make it possible to disable
string functions because you don't use them? Or how about object support,
tons of people just use procedural coding and that huge chunk of object
implementation code is just pure waste? Before you reply with "Yes,
excellent idea!!"... :)
I'm not proposing (and never did) to make it disabled by default.
Perhaps we need to extend the --disable-all configure option:
--disable-all=everything|most
Where 'most' is the default and everything for us "purists" like you
like to
say. What I am aiming with all the modularization is to be able to have
a very lean PHP build with ONLY the things I allow to be used in our
projects..
I don't mind the "only the things I allow to be used in our projects" part,
it should be able to control what's available in PHP in the most granular
way possible (that makes sense), through the likes of
disable_function. It's the "very lean PHP" part that I mind, mainly
because it has everything to do with WFF, and very little to do with real
world effects.
And also getting as many of these "insignificant" memory/speed eaters
out.
Streams create oceans, you know? :)
That's a good one :)
Zeev
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