had some time so was reading php-dev and saw some write about this instansless/dataless? classs coding class::method(params...); and thought ureeka thats what ive been looking for i dont want to create instances just so i can use methods Q1 is it, will it be supported in future (works? my php4.0.3p1) Q2 counldn't find any docs Q3 can the instanceless classes used default class data? havent tried yet -- My opinions are my own and not that of my employer even if I am self employed -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]