Sorry Josh, I think you go too far. Though I feel Paul's actions do not warrant expulsion but communication, I DO NOT agree everybody needs to "grow a thicker skin" and would never advocate such. And I do not feel individuals asking a group to act on their behalf is a sign of cowardice or weakness. In fact it is proper to seek council.
This is not a time for extremes on either side, but rather understanding and learning. Regards, Adam Culp On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 1:20:19 PM UTC-4, Joshua Drake wrote: > > Hello, > > I am an outsider to this group but have been involved in Open Source for > over 20 years. I only know Jones from Twitter but this thread caught my > eye. Although the opinions I am about to express are my own and do not in > any way represent other organizations, I am a Director for Software in the > Public Interest as well as United States PostgreSQL. My experiences are > vast in the community as a whole. > > There has been a movement recently in the Free/Open Source communities to > sanitize and make it all about fluffy bunnies (provoke). The problem is > that a sanitation will create a vacuum of intellect not unlike a snake > eating itself. It is the heated metal, beaten in a forge and shaped through > the sheer force of will, skill and talent that creates the beauty that is a > hand crafted Katana, not bottled water and hand sanitizer. > > That said, this entire thread boils down to this: > > Does Paul disrupt the collaborative space? If so, then it needs to be > discussed with him. > > However, here is the problem. A lot of people who make complaints are the > very same people that are actually the ones disrupting the collaborative > space. They do this passively, likely without realizing it. They do it by: > > 1. Having thin skin > 2. Taking umbrage because somebody doesn't agree with them > 3. Having a chip on their shoulder about $X > 4. Allowing #1-#3 influence their ability to be productive. > > We do have is a list of people who are upset, perhaps rightfully so. > However, doesn't it strike you as odd that those people weren't willing to > stand up for themselves and instead asking a steering committee to deal > with the problem? My experienced guess is that *most* (but not all) of this > brouhaha is because of #4 above. > > This is why: > > 1. Anyone can create a filter to just ignore Paul > 2. Anyone can call Paul out, publicly and respectfully for behavior they > don't think is appropriate > 3. Anyone can chose to just not read Paul's responses/comments > 4. Anyone can just take Paul with a grain of salt > > But... #4 > > Does that excuse inappropriate behavior from Paul (if there is any)? > Absolutely not. However, you must define what inappropriate behavior is > before you can even attempt to determine where on the spectrum the behavior > falls. Having strong opinions that are in conflict with someone else's > strong opinions is not inappropriate nor is having to deal with the reality > that someone may not agree with you. > > Sincerely, > > JD > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to php-fig+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to php-fig@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/94f9b0ff-3edf-4398-a898-669982e2cd00%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
