On Sun, Sep 12, 2021, at 12:53 PM, Andreas Heigl wrote:
> Hey all.
> 
> Some months of work have past for the Working Group for PSR-20 
> (ClockInterface).
> 
> By now our idea of the interface has stabilized, a lot of internal 
> decissions have been made and a lot of discussion with different people 
> – especially maintainers of different clock implementations – have been 
> done and had their influence on the interface and on the meta-document 
> associated with it.
> 
> Time to open up the discussion to the list and to external feedback.
> 
> Please give feedback regarding the Interface[1] and the 
> Meta-Document[2]. Either on the PSR-20 Channel on Discord[3], via the 
> mailinglist or via PullRequests against those two documents.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Andreas
> 
> [1] 
> https://github.com/php-fig/fig-standards/blob/master/proposed/clock-meta.md
> [2] https://github.com/php-fig/fig-standards/blob/master/proposed/clock.md
> [3] https://discord.com/channels/788815898948665366/818850995186171918

I filed a small PR with some typo fixes. Nothing major.

Overall I like the simplicity of it.  My main concern is, unsurprisingly, 
around the timezone question, and usability.

Right now, if I want "now" I can just call `new DateTimeImmutable('now', new 
DateTimeZone('whatever'))` directly.  It's a single call.

With the proposed interface, I will virtually always need to create TWO DTI 
objects; one that gets returned by now(), and one returned by calling 
setTimezone() on it.  (Because I never trust what the system timezone is set 
to, and neither should you.)  That is slightly less performant, and also 
clunkier feeling.  And that means people will forget to do it.

I fear that, in its current form, we'll end up with a lot of people assuming 
the timezone they get back from now() is reasonable, when in fact it's not 
defined at all, and end up with subtle bugs.

--Larry Garfield

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