php-general Digest 30 May 2011 18:01:27 -0000 Issue 7335
Topics (messages 313235 through 313245):
Re: iPhone sadness
313235 by: Lester Caine
313236 by: Ashley Sheridan
313238 by: Andre Polykanine
313239 by: Lester Caine
313241 by: Andre Polykanine
313242 by: Ashley Sheridan
313243 by: Ken Kixmoeller
313244 by: Larry Martell
313245 by: Lester Caine
php causes HTTP 500, but results in blank page in apache
313237 by: Stephon Chen
Re: displaying a pdf
313240 by: Jim Giner
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Paul M Foster wrote:
> There IS no right way - but it IS polite to follow the rules even if
> it is a little more difficult doing it from your chosen software.
> Rather than apologising or simply ignoring the guide lines.
I would imagine that interleaved replies or bottom posting will never be
considered offensive on any list. Whereas we all know that top posting
can often be considered offensive, depending on the list.
By the way, bottom posting only really becomes offensive when you fail
to trim as needed.
Surely that is 'top posting' ?
But trimming IS the main complaint with ANY posting. I don't particularly object
TO top posting, but 99% of the time there is NO need to have quoting switched on
at all. I've seen my sig included here several times when any decent client will
respect the 'sig' flag. Perhaps THAT is the default which needs looking at?
OK on smart phones 'select' is a pain in the posterior, but that at least is
probably the best reason for nicely threading email clients. My SMS messages get
threaded - so why not emails as well so that quotes are only needed when
actually addressing key points. Oh for a perfect world :)
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Lester Caine - G8HFL
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"Igor Konforti" <[email protected]> wrote:
>What? Replay to all? Its configurable!
>However by default there is no spam signatures such as "send from my
>iphone/k9"
I didn't say the reply to all wasn't available, only that you are forced to top
post (incidentally, were you forced to?)
I don't see my K9 Sig part as spam, as it gives a reason why my replies might
not be as verbose as I would make them on a desktop machine. I bottom post with
my phone.
Thanks
Ash
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Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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Hello Lester,
Sorry, I don't get what you mean by bottom posting but here is my
complains: most of you post your messages *after* the quotes. It's
really not comfortable: I use screenreading software here and I need
to scroll with my down arrow key before I see the actual message.
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With best regards from Ukraine,
Andre
Skype: Francophile
My blog: http://oire.org/menelion (mostly in Russian)
Twitter: http://twitter.com/m_elensule
Facebook: http://facebook.com/menelion
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From: Lester Caine <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date created: , 9:44:59 AM
Subject: [PHP] iPhone sadness
Paul M Foster wrote:
>> > There IS no right way - but it IS polite to follow the rules even if
>> > it is a little more difficult doing it from your chosen software.
>> > Rather than apologising or simply ignoring the guide lines.
> I would imagine that interleaved replies or bottom posting will never be
> considered offensive on any list. Whereas we all know that top posting
> can often be considered offensive, depending on the list.
>
> By the way, bottom posting only really becomes offensive when you fail
> to trim as needed.
Surely that is 'top posting' ?
But trimming IS the main complaint with ANY posting. I don't particularly
object
TO top posting, but 99% of the time there is NO need to have quoting switched
on
at all. I've seen my sig included here several times when any decent client
will
respect the 'sig' flag. Perhaps THAT is the default which needs looking at?
OK on smart phones 'select' is a pain in the posterior, but that at least is
probably the best reason for nicely threading email clients. My SMS messages
get
threaded - so why not emails as well so that quotes are only needed when
actually addressing key points. Oh for a perfect world :)
--
Lester Caine - G8HFL
-----------------------------
Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact
L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk
EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/
Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk//
Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php
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Andre Polykanine wrote:
Hello Lester,
Sorry, I don't get what you mean by bottom posting but here is my
complains: most of you post your messages*after* the quotes. It's
really not comfortable: I use screenreading software here and I need
to scroll with my down arrow key before I see the actual message.
Then you need a better screen reading software - the ones I have seen will jump
correctly to the first 'non-quoted' item, then you can scroll back up to the
related item if you need to review it. Putting comments BEFORE the quote is
simply the wrong way around and is a lot more difficult to follow how ever you
access it conventionally. The 'prefered' method for this list is in-line or
bottom posting and the requests to change that have been rejected by the
majority of users to date.
I develop systems that are used by visually impaired users and in general the
norm is for correctly ordered messaging - not reverse ordered ones
--
Lester Caine - G8HFL
-----------------------------
Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact
L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk
EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/
Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk//
Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php
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Hello Lester,
Actually, I get what you're saying. But it's true if you read a
message like an Html page. then you have to press one or two keys and
here you are.
But for some reasons even now we are required to quote the messages at
the bottom. Be saying "we" I mean those who work for companies making
the accessibility solutions.
And, BTW, this bottom posting has started just two or three years ago
when Thunderbird came in place.
But I'll make a template that inserts the text below the quotes if you want :-).
--
With best regards from Ukraine,
Andre
Skype: Francophile
My blog: http://oire.org/menelion (mostly in Russian)
Twitter: http://twitter.com/m_elensule
Facebook: http://facebook.com/menelion
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From: Lester Caine <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date created: , 4:15:12 PM
Subject: [PHP] iPhone sadness
Andre Polykanine wrote:
> Hello Lester,
>
> Sorry, I don't get what you mean by bottom posting but here is my
> complains: most of you post your messages*after* the quotes. It's
> really not comfortable: I use screenreading software here and I need
> to scroll with my down arrow key before I see the actual message.
Then you need a better screen reading software - the ones I have seen will jump
correctly to the first 'non-quoted' item, then you can scroll back up to the
related item if you need to review it. Putting comments BEFORE the quote is
simply the wrong way around and is a lot more difficult to follow how ever you
access it conventionally. The 'prefered' method for this list is in-line or
bottom posting and the requests to change that have been rejected by the
majority of users to date.
I develop systems that are used by visually impaired users and in general the
norm is for correctly ordered messaging - not reverse ordered ones
--
Lester Caine - G8HFL
-----------------------------
Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact
L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk
EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/
Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk//
Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php
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>And, BTW, this bottom posting has started just two or three years ago
>when Thunderbird came in place.
Erm, bottom posting has been the standard since day 1 until Microsoft came
along and changed it with Outlook. Most people who use Windows tend not to
change basic settings from their defaults.
Thanks
Ash
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Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Ashley Sheridan
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Erm,... Most people who use Windows tend not to change basic settings from
> their defaults.
Erm, most Winders users have no clue *how* to change them, nor that
there might be some reason to do so.
Ken
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On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Andre Polykanine <[email protected]> wrote:
> And, BTW, this bottom posting has started just two or three years ago
> when Thunderbird came in place.
You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Since email
began bottom posting was the standard. It wasn't until the sheeple who
drink the Microsoft kool-aid came along that people started
top-posting.
And Thunderbird came out in 2003, not 'two or three years ago.'
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
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Ashley Sheridan wrote:
And, BTW, this bottom posting has started just two or three years ago
>when Thunderbird came in place.
Erm, bottom posting has been the standard since day 1 until Microsoft came
along and changed it with Outlook. Most people who use Windows tend not to
change basic settings from their defaults.
Exactly ...
I've email archives going back to 1992 and ALL of the early stuff is nicely
formatted with in-line and bottom posted expansion. I've actually been editing
things I would like to keep to put some sense back into the archive - but on the
most part just trimming reams of unnecessary repeated sigs where people have not
even bothered looking at what they quoted! I've got a nice module on my php
client management system that trims stuff automatically for me when I'm
uploading old messages.
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Lester Caine - G8HFL
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Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact
L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk
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Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php
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Hello all,
I use a test script below to generate HTTP 500 status:
<?php
header('HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error');
?>
It causes HTTP 500 in apache log, but apache shows blank page instead of
HTTP 500 error page
But 403, 404 works correctly.
Why this thing occurs? And is there any soultion?
My platform is FreeBSD 8.2, PHP 5.3.6, and Apache 2.2.18, which running php
as php-cgi mode.
Thanks a lot
--
stephon
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Thanks for the attempt Simon, but your code only displayed gibberish.
While looking around again for help, I found this and it works perfectly:
<?php
session_start();
//
// Specify the name of the pdf here and the folder
//
$pdfname='VFD_ByLaws.pdf';
$path='/pdfs/';
//
// the rest will handle the displaying
//
header("Cache-Control: no-cache");
header("Content-type: application/pdf");
header("Location:$path$pdfname");
?>
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