php-general Digest 19 Sep 2012 14:50:36 -0000 Issue 7970
Topics (messages 319139 through 319142):
Re: Programmers and developers needed
319139 by: German Geek
319140 by: Matijn Woudt
319141 by: Robert Cummings
319142 by: Doug Heimbecker
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See below.
On 19 September 2012 04:45, Matijn Woudt <tijn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:52 AM, agbo onyador <onya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The growing power of the internet and global networks.
> > (on the world’s politics, economies and even on daily life of ordinary
> > people) Programmers and developers needed:
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>
> I still cannot figure out if this is a joke or if you're really
> looking for world peace.. If you're serious, you might want to stop
> and take a look at Newton's third law, I quote from wikipedia:
> "When a first body exerts a force F1 on a second body, the second body
> simultaneously exerts a force F2 = −F1 on the first body. This means
> that F1 and F2 are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction.", or
> simplified "To every action there is always an equal and opposite
> reaction."
> It fits also easily on humans, take one step into peace, and it will
> have an effect in opposite direction elsewhere.
>
> Also, why do you think you can make a better social network than the
> already existing ones? Even the big internet giant Google can't seem
> to make it's social network a big success, and you (without even an
> concrete idea) can do that better?
>
> You might as well just open a simple website with a 'Like' button and
> ask everyone to like that page, so we end up with peace!:)
>
Seems like an interesting point. But who says that good and evil are always
cancelling each other out? To me good and evil depend on the point of view.
So, what's good for A could be good for B too but bad for C, and therefore
what's good for C is bad for both A and B? Not necessarily (following a
implies b is not equivalent to b implies a). It gets complicated very
quickly with more parties and we have more than 6 billion! One cannot
really say that an action is good or bad for everyone following your
argument. However, world peace, less pollution and equal or less diverse
wealth would be good for everyone, because of less crime and less risk of
loosing everything. Maybe it would trigger something bad at the other end
of the universe, but the universe is pretty big (so I've heard :-), so what
do we care? I vote for world peace in that sense.
Strongly disagree with people saying "Someone else would do it if I
didn't.". That's just a lame excuse to get rich quick, like I heard from
people who sell weapons. Selling ads is not nearly as bad. It's just
annoying if they are too intrusive. Google's ads are not so intrusive and
look what great things Google does with the money they make in terms of
Open Source. I would say Google is the programmers' friend and if anything
the lesser evil. Sure they have ads all over, but I haven't yet been
annoyed by them as much as other popup ads. Besides that I wouldn't be
where I am today without Google (I'm not employed by them in case you're
wondering).
Sorry to make this a serious discussion if you take it that way. :-) Just
hope to get some neurons firing.
Twitter: @geekdenz
Website: http://www.thheuer.com
>
> - Matijn
>
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On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:53 AM, German Geek <geek...@gmail.com> wrote:
> See below.
>
> On 19 September 2012 04:45, Matijn Woudt <tijn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:52 AM, agbo onyador <onya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The growing power of the internet and global networks.
>> > (on the world’s politics, economies and even on daily life of ordinary
>> > people) Programmers and developers needed:
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>>
>> I still cannot figure out if this is a joke or if you're really
>> looking for world peace.. If you're serious, you might want to stop
>> and take a look at Newton's third law, I quote from wikipedia:
>> "When a first body exerts a force F1 on a second body, the second body
>> simultaneously exerts a force F2 = −F1 on the first body. This means
>> that F1 and F2 are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction.", or
>> simplified "To every action there is always an equal and opposite
>> reaction."
>> It fits also easily on humans, take one step into peace, and it will
>> have an effect in opposite direction elsewhere.
>>
>> Also, why do you think you can make a better social network than the
>> already existing ones? Even the big internet giant Google can't seem
>> to make it's social network a big success, and you (without even an
>> concrete idea) can do that better?
>>
>> You might as well just open a simple website with a 'Like' button and
>> ask everyone to like that page, so we end up with peace!:)
>
>
> Seems like an interesting point. But who says that good and evil are always
> cancelling each other out? To me good and evil depend on the point of view.
> So, what's good for A could be good for B too but bad for C, and therefore
> what's good for C is bad for both A and B? Not necessarily (following a
> implies b is not equivalent to b implies a). It gets complicated very
> quickly with more parties and we have more than 6 billion! One cannot really
> say that an action is good or bad for everyone following your argument.
> However, world peace, less pollution and equal or less diverse wealth would
> be good for everyone, because of less crime and less risk of loosing
> everything. Maybe it would trigger something bad at the other end of the
> universe, but the universe is pretty big (so I've heard :-), so what do we
> care? I vote for world peace in that sense.
Do I hear a vote for communism? That didn't really work out in the
past, so why would it now?
>
> Strongly disagree with people saying "Someone else would do it if I
> didn't.". That's just a lame excuse to get rich quick, like I heard from
> people who sell weapons. Selling ads is not nearly as bad. It's just
> annoying if they are too intrusive. Google's ads are not so intrusive and
> look what great things Google does with the money they make in terms of Open
> Source. I would say Google is the programmers' friend and if anything the
> lesser evil. Sure they have ads all over, but I haven't yet been annoyed by
> them as much as other popup ads. Besides that I wouldn't be where I am today
> without Google (I'm not employed by them in case you're wondering).
I absolutely agree.
> Sorry to make this a serious discussion if you take it that way. :-) Just
> hope to get some neurons firing.
Hmm.. Remember this is a PHP list, but since traffic is pretty low
lately, it's ok I guess..
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On 12-09-19 06:07 AM, Matijn Woudt wrote:
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:53 AM, German Geek <geek...@gmail.com> wrote:
See below.
On 19 September 2012 04:45, Matijn Woudt <tijn...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:52 AM, agbo onyador <onya...@gmail.com> wrote:
The growing power of the internet and global networks.
(on the world’s politics, economies and even on daily life of ordinary
people) Programmers and developers needed:
Thanks
I still cannot figure out if this is a joke or if you're really
looking for world peace.. If you're serious, you might want to stop
and take a look at Newton's third law, I quote from wikipedia:
"When a first body exerts a force F1 on a second body, the second body
simultaneously exerts a force F2 = −F1 on the first body. This means
that F1 and F2 are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction.", or
simplified "To every action there is always an equal and opposite
reaction."
It fits also easily on humans, take one step into peace, and it will
have an effect in opposite direction elsewhere.
Also, why do you think you can make a better social network than the
already existing ones? Even the big internet giant Google can't seem
to make it's social network a big success, and you (without even an
concrete idea) can do that better?
You might as well just open a simple website with a 'Like' button and
ask everyone to like that page, so we end up with peace!:)
Seems like an interesting point. But who says that good and evil are always
cancelling each other out? To me good and evil depend on the point of view.
So, what's good for A could be good for B too but bad for C, and therefore
what's good for C is bad for both A and B? Not necessarily (following a
implies b is not equivalent to b implies a). It gets complicated very
quickly with more parties and we have more than 6 billion! One cannot really
say that an action is good or bad for everyone following your argument.
However, world peace, less pollution and equal or less diverse wealth would
be good for everyone, because of less crime and less risk of loosing
everything. Maybe it would trigger something bad at the other end of the
universe, but the universe is pretty big (so I've heard :-), so what do we
care? I vote for world peace in that sense.
Do I hear a vote for communism? That didn't really work out in the
past, so why would it now?
Not to say I'm all in for communism... but communism failed for the same
reason capitalism is failing. Corruption!
Cheers,
Rob.
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Not to say I'm all in for communism... but communism failed for the same
reason capitalism is failing. Corruption!
Here might be a way to deal with this political issue, while keeping on
topic with the "world peace PHP project":
I've had this idea for years, but why not start a "technocracy" or "ultra
social-democracy" that runs on a decentralized server, kind of like P2P
(Kad, Bitcoins, etc.) -- only problem being the logic running the system
(say, PHP scripts) would need to be programmed as a whole (so anyone could
re-program the structure of such a social system, so it functioned the way
everyone wanted). Think Wikipedia, but completely decentralized -- nobody
could "corrupt" the system unless they were a majority. This seems to be the
direction we're heading in -- what with hidden corruption, and most
governments being slow processing laws, reforms, etc.
May seem like a far-fetched idea, but I see it being one of the final things
to come in a rapidly evolving technological society, replacing most
republics with a social system more run by the people. Nobody would ever
again complain about stuff not getting done, when mobs of people could
actually change the system the way they wanted -- and quicker.
Socialism/communism/Marxism in the past has never worked, because a
minority-elite would eventually take over and convert it into a totalitarian
state with only the mere façade of socialism we see in countries today (not
exactly the idea Karl Marx had in mind).
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Doug Heimbecker
d...@tac.us
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