On Wednesday 21 November 2007, Dave M G wrote:
> Larry,
>
> Thank you for responding.
>
> > I think you missed the point.  SVG is just text. ... There's no need
> > for SVG support per se, as SimpleXML provides all you need anyway.
>
> I did miss the point - thanks for setting me straight.
>
> However, I'm still unsure about using SVGs. On the one hand, what I'm
> using as source files are originally in SVG format and I want to be able
> to dynamically resize and scale them without loss of clarity.

That sounds like an excellent reason to use SVG for your image manipulation.

> But, after they have been resized and scaled, then I think I need to
> send the resulting image to the browser in some raster image format.
> Indications are that SVG support on browsers is still not as uniform as
> PNG or other raster graphics formats.

Yeah, Firefox is the only browser I know of with native SVG support worth a 
damn.  Konqueror keeps talking about it but I don't know if it's any good 
yet.  Not sure about Opera or Safari.  IE requires a plugin from Adobe, which 
the last time I was playing with it (which has been a while, but there were 
no signs of plans to improve it at the time) was OK, but not great and 
embedded a la flash in a fixed, immutable box.

> At that last step, assuming that I have manipulated the images to my
> satisfaction with SimpleXML, can I then output the result in PNG or JPG
> with PHP?

With native PHP, I don't believe so.  However, I know that there are assorted 
command line tools and Java tools to do so.  I naturally can't think of them 
off the top of my head, but I know they exist.          You could exec() out to 
them 
to cache the rasterized combined image to disk and then serve that.

I don't know off hand if there's a PECL module or some user-space PHP code to 
do that.  It's worth spending 10 min Googling it, though.

> I'm not so sure this can be done. The tricky part is that I am building
> PHP scripts that could be deployed on servers with different PHP
> settings, so I'm not confident that I can rely on PEAR or ImageMagick
> functions being present. Are they standard on PHP > 5?

Now that could be a problem.  You'd have to find either some PHP user-space 
library or a CLI C library that you could bundle with the app.  I'm fairly 
certain nothing like that is in stock PHP 5.  As for finding a good such 
library, as I said Google would know better than I.  (Or maybe I should say 
Yahoo, since they use PHP. <g>)

> Forgive me if my questions are clueless to the point of making the
> questions unclear.

They make a lot more sense now, actually. :-)


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