You should probably consider ASP.NET. Visual Studio .NET is out in early Feb and ASP.NET makes an enormous leap in functionality. It should almost be considered a new web development environment. It allows development in any CLR compliant language (straight VB.NET, C#, managed C++ etc..) It cleanly separates UI and program logic Has better OO implementation than PHP Has easier web design (web forms) Has embedded state managment (run at server tags for form fields) Allows for easily extending and creating .NET complient form controls
For me the biggest attraction is the ability to use and mix and match any CLR compliant language. You can now develop a windows client app and as long as you cleanly separate the business layer from the UI layer you can re-use the same business layer in your web apps. Indeed MS are currently working on the Universal Canvas, which 'may' lead to re-usable windows/web UIs. Big downside? Has to run on MS platform. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Abshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 09 January 2002 17:27 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs. ASP > > > I agree about not starting a war between PHP and ASP. We already have one > going on that is out of hand between Linux and Windows :-) > > I do think it is up to how you view things. When I think of support being > "native" I think of that meaning that something can perform a task using > only its own internal capabilities. So in the case of PHP and say Oracle > this would mean that PHP could connect to and utilize data in an Oracle > database using only functionality that is built into PHP itself. > But if you > look at http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.oci8.php you will find that you > need to install the Oracle 8 Client Libraries if you want to use > the Oracle > 8 PHP functions. So is this really "native" support? You can make > your own > decision on that one :-) > > I am a professional web application developer and the consulting > firm I work > for leans heavily toward the Microsoft side so I am very familiar > with ASP. > I also do PHP on the side and have had one assignment doing PHP on my job. > > * My personal preference is PHP because the language is so elegant and I > like the cross-platorm aspect of PHP as well. > > * PHP seems to be supported MUCH better than ASP. > > * The PHP development cycle is more current. > > * Possibly the biggest thing I like about PHP over ASP is dynamic > includes. > Those developers out there know what I mean about this one. > Including a file > dynamically say from a database field or some other approach. > Believe it or > not this really opens up a lot of doors in your development. > > Just my personal opinions and you will find probably everyone on > this list > will have their own. But that is fine too. It my be best to look at the > problem to be solved then choose the platform and language that will best > solve it. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Philip Hallstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Robert Klinkenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PHP] Re: PHP vs. ASP > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:51:40 -0800 (PST) > > I don't want to start a war, but last time I looked PHP had native support > for every database I'd ever heard of including Oracle, SQLServer, etc... > > Just don't want the guy doing the report that php is database limited... > > On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Robert Klinkenberg wrote: > > > Well, I personally prefer PHP over ASP because better support from > > webhosting companies, but ASP has some good points. > > This is especially the case if you can setup the complete hosting > > environment yourself and have some money to spend. > > > > First of all databases. PHP has support for a limited but interesting > list > > of databases, especially the support for mysql and postgres is > handy for > a > > webserver. On the other hand, ASP has good support for most bussiness > > servers (ORACLE MS SQL Server,....) with OLE-DB and a lot more > databases > > with ODBC. > > > > The development tools. Definately a win for ASP (with vb.net > C# and C++ > you > > have a complete IDE and with Dreamweaver Ultradev you can pretty much > point > > and click. SO you can choose whatever tool you like. > > PHP has very limited IDE's. > > > > Price. ASP solutions are mostly build with Windows 2000 Server > and MS SQL > > Server or Oracle and an expensive IDE. So it's pretty > expensive to build. > > PHP is mostly used with Linux, Apache and MySQL and is a lot > cheaper (you > > only need to buy the hardware and the software is virtually free) > > > > Programming language: This is off course a personal taste but with ASP > > (.net) you can use VB/C++/C#. So if you are used to VB or C++ > it's a bit > > easier to start with. > > > > Modules. Both have a lot of free tools available. However I personally > find > > the PHP modules more usefull. (With the exception of the Crystal Report > > generator in .net, pretty usable reports without a lot of work). > > > > It's a bit easier for a novice to get started with ASP as with > PHP, and > it's > > pertty easy to make the project look good. > > > > So, if you have the cash and some inexperienced programmers > working for > you > > ASP is the save bet. If you have a small company, are a > student, depend > on > > webhosting or are a pretty experienced programmer, PHP might > be a better > > choose. > > > > Robert Klinkenberg > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
