php-windows Digest 2 Sep 2004 16:17:39 -0000 Issue 2380
Topics (messages 24493 through 24500):
Php5 merging with Java???
24493 by: Jim MacDiarmid
24494 by: Manuel Lemos
24495 by: Paul Menard
24496 by: operationsengineer1.yahoo.com
24497 by: Jim MacDiarmid
24498 by: Jim MacDiarmid
24499 by: Jim MacDiarmid
Converting a dos console batch file to a php shell script
24500 by: Jim MacDiarmid
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I've been reading the latest articles about the future of PHP and based on
the way I am understanding it, I'm getting the impression that PHP will not
be free or open source. I'm interested in getting other PHP developer
options and/or clarification of this direction. What is this going to do to
the PHP community? Will most PHP developers stick with it or take up some
other language such as C# for example? I am a relatively new PHP developer
and I really like it's ease of use and all the functionality the current
4.x.x version has, so I find the news of it's current path rather
depressing.
Thank you all in advance for your input,
Jim
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Hello,
On 09/01/2004 02:06 PM, Jim Macdiarmid wrote:
I've been reading the latest articles about the future of PHP and based on
the way I am understanding it, I'm getting the impression that PHP will not
be free or open source. I'm interested in getting other PHP developer
options and/or clarification of this direction. What is this going to do to
the PHP community? Will most PHP developers stick with it or take up some
other language such as C# for example? I am a relatively new PHP developer
and I really like it's ease of use and all the functionality the current
4.x.x version has, so I find the news of it's current path rather
depressing.
I have no idea from where do you take these conclusions.
Some people have interest that PHP engine be based on Parrot instead of
Zend. That is the dynamic typed languages engine of Perl 6 .
http://www.edwardbear.org/pap.pdf
Even if that is feasible I am not sure if Zend people would not let it
see the light of day for PHP as it means that everybody could use Parrot
optimizers, caches and compilers instead of buying their equivalent
commercial Zend engine based extension products. The same goes for Java
based PHP or whatever you are claiming.
As for moving from PHP to Java or whatever, many PHP developers have
already done that. Many will not do it ever because Java is much harder
and complicated despite it provides a cleaner and powerful platform.
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Regards,
Manuel Lemos
PHP Classes - Free ready to use OOP components written in PHP
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I cannot speak for the direction of PHP since I am not part of that development. I am
just a PHP
developer like yourself. But if you are referring to the Developer Shed Plug-in
article
http://www.developershed.com/plugin/PlugIn_magazine_september2004.pdf#page=9
I would not worry too much. DevShed is a M$ shop and tends to at time slant articles
on the
negative about open source tools. In an attempt to sway folks to use ASP.Net and C#
I'm guessing.
I have see no announcement from PHP about this. Pure speculation.
But you have to wonder...PHP is rally part of the Apache group. So it Tomcat and many
other fine
Java packages. So why not a closer integration?
Then again the deal mentioned in the Dev Shed article about a proprietary PHP for use
by Sun is no
different than Red Hat taking their product to a more marketable direction. Same goes
for MySQL.
They both still offer the free open source versions. But there is a non-Open source
version with
'special' features as well.
Paul
--- Jim MacDiarmid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've been reading the latest articles about the future of PHP and based on
> the way I am understanding it, I'm getting the impression that PHP will not
> be free or open source. I'm interested in getting other PHP developer
> options and/or clarification of this direction. What is this going to do to
> the PHP community? Will most PHP developers stick with it or take up some
> other language such as C# for example? I am a relatively new PHP developer
> and I really like it's ease of use and all the functionality the current
> 4.x.x version has, so I find the news of it's current path rather
> depressing.
>
> Thank you all in advance for your input,
>
> Jim
>
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Jim, I think that is pure speculation at this point.
Jim MacDiarmid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've been reading the latest articles about the future of PHP and based on
the way I am understanding it, I'm getting the impression that PHP will not
be free or open source. I'm interested in getting other PHP developer
options and/or clarification of this direction. What is this going to do to
the PHP community? Will most PHP developers stick with it or take up some
other language such as C# for example? I am a relatively new PHP developer
and I really like it's ease of use and all the functionality the current
4.x.x version has, so I find the news of it's current path rather
depressing.
Thank you all in advance for your input,
Jim
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Hi Paul,
Yes, that is the article that I saw. One of them anyway. Thank you for
sheding some light on that.
Jim
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From: Paul Menard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:29 PM
To: Jim MacDiarmid; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP-WIN] Php5 merging with Java???
I cannot speak for the direction of PHP since I am not part of that
development. I am just a PHP developer like yourself. But if you are
referring to the Developer Shed Plug-in article
http://www.developershed.com/plugin/PlugIn_magazine_september2004.pdf#page=9
I would not worry too much. DevShed is a M$ shop and tends to at time slant
articles on the negative about open source tools. In an attempt to sway
folks to use ASP.Net and C# I'm guessing.
I have see no announcement from PHP about this. Pure speculation.
But you have to wonder...PHP is rally part of the Apache group. So it Tomcat
and many other fine Java packages. So why not a closer integration?
Then again the deal mentioned in the Dev Shed article about a proprietary
PHP for use by Sun is no different than Red Hat taking their product to a
more marketable direction. Same goes for MySQL.
They both still offer the free open source versions. But there is a non-Open
source version with 'special' features as well.
Paul
--- Jim MacDiarmid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've been reading the latest articles about the future of PHP and
> based on the way I am understanding it, I'm getting the impression
> that PHP will not be free or open source. I'm interested in getting
> other PHP developer options and/or clarification of this direction.
> What is this going to do to the PHP community? Will most PHP
> developers stick with it or take up some other language such as C# for
> example? I am a relatively new PHP developer and I really like it's
> ease of use and all the functionality the current 4.x.x version has,
> so I find the news of it's current path rather depressing.
>
> Thank you all in advance for your input,
>
> Jim
>
> --
> PHP Windows Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit:
> http://www.php.net/unsub.php
>
>
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This is one of them. I believe there was another one on the devshed site too
but unfortunately can't seem to locate the link.
http://www.developershed.com/plugin/PlugIn_magazine_september2004.pdf#page=9
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From: Christian Zambrano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:53 PM
To: Jim MacDiarmid
Subject: Re: [PHP-WIN] Php5 merging with Java???
Could you please be so kind as to tell me where exactly you read that PHP is
not going to be Open Source any more?
Thanks
Christian
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From: "Jim MacDiarmid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:06 PM
Subject: [PHP-WIN] Php5 merging with Java???
>
> I've been reading the latest articles about the future of PHP and based on
> the way I am understanding it, I'm getting the impression that PHP will
not
> be free or open source. I'm interested in getting other PHP developer
> options and/or clarification of this direction. What is this going to do
to
> the PHP community? Will most PHP developers stick with it or take up some
> other language such as C# for example? I am a relatively new PHP developer
> and I really like it's ease of use and all the functionality the current
> 4.x.x version has, so I find the news of it's current path rather
> depressing.
>
> Thank you all in advance for your input,
>
> Jim
>
> --
> PHP Windows Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
>
>
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Maybe I got the wrong impression, I don't know. I was just afraid that PHP
was going to end up going the way of MS Visual Studio .NET Enterprise
Architect and become a commercial package that would be out of reach for us
smaller developers or rather us developers with smaller wallets.
Jim
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From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PHP-WIN] Re: Php5 merging with Java???
Hello,
On 09/01/2004 02:06 PM, Jim Macdiarmid wrote:
> I've been reading the latest articles about the future of PHP and
> based on the way I am understanding it, I'm getting the impression
> that PHP will not be free or open source. I'm interested in getting
> other PHP developer options and/or clarification of this direction.
> What is this going to do to the PHP community? Will most PHP
> developers stick with it or take up some other language such as C# for
> example? I am a relatively new PHP developer and I really like it's
> ease of use and all the functionality the current 4.x.x version has,
> so I find the news of it's current path rather depressing.
I have no idea from where do you take these conclusions.
Some people have interest that PHP engine be based on Parrot instead of
Zend. That is the dynamic typed languages engine of Perl 6 .
http://www.edwardbear.org/pap.pdf
Even if that is feasible I am not sure if Zend people would not let it see
the light of day for PHP as it means that everybody could use Parrot
optimizers, caches and compilers instead of buying their equivalent
commercial Zend engine based extension products. The same goes for Java
based PHP or whatever you are claiming.
As for moving from PHP to Java or whatever, many PHP developers have already
done that. Many will not do it ever because Java is much harder and
complicated despite it provides a cleaner and powerful platform.
--
Regards,
Manuel Lemos
PHP Classes - Free ready to use OOP components written in PHP
http://www.phpclasses.org/
PHP Reviews - Reviews of PHP books and other products
http://www.phpclasses.org/reviews/
Metastorage - Data object relational mapping layer generator
http://www.meta-language.net/metastorage.html
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Hi everyone,
I've been searching for info to help me troubleshoot an issue I'm having
with displaying output to the console during script processing, but I'm not
having much luck. I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this or point me
in right direction.
I have a foreach construct that loops through an associative array and calls
a nested function. Inside the foreach loop I would like to display the
current array information that is being processed prior to passing to the
nested function call. The problem I'm running into is that the output to the
console window is delayed till after the forloop as completed, as if it's
being buffered then flushed at the end.
Any ideas how I can display information as processing occurs?
Thanks in advance,
Jim
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