Hi Ed, I started pinholing using paper negatives in oatmeal and cigar boxes, and still use them quite a bit, now mostly 11x14 in large tins. Another thing to try is 4x5 sheet film in cigar boxes. I have several identical ones that have interchangable "film holders" made out of mat board. Other possibilities are purchasing a Leonardo camera from the Pinhole Resource www.pinholeresource.com. They use standard 4x5 film holders. I have a couple of these and they're wonderful. Lots of people on this list use the Zero 2000, a small 120-roll-film camera, and seem to enjoy it and make to create great images. It is possible, too, to convert an old 120 box camera for a this purpose. Branching out from stricly pinhole, you might try zone plate photography. A Leonardo can be easily converted to a zone-plate camera. Gosh, the possibilities are endless. For black and white sheet film, I always use Kodak Tri-X. I've tried other films, including T-Max; but found the Tri-X best overall. Check the pinhole listings on Ebay, too; good cameras come up their all the time. Have fun creating cameras and images!
Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Healy" <[email protected]> To: <pinhole-discussion@p at ???????> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 11:52 AM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Re: Pinhole-Discussion digest, Vol 1 #48 - 13 msgs > I'm a relative newcomer to pinhole photography having built a camera out of a > popcorn tin and an aluminum pie plate pinhole within the last year. I've been very > excited by the results I've gotten (the fact that I can actually fix an image on > paper using such a primitive device is still cause for amazement) using black and > white RC paper negatives. In fact, I prefer the negatives as original works of art > over the positives I've contact printed. (The gray tones are real creamy and > there's a dream-like, slightly surreal quality to the negative images.) My > question to the group is where do I go from here? There are some inherent problems > using a curved camera (e.g. lines bend and want to converge) and I can't make > enlargements from the negatives. So I was wondering if some of the more > experienced pinholers might have a few suggestions based on their own evolvution > as pinhole photographers. For example, what other types of objects do you suggest > I use as a pinhole camera or other papers or film stocks (sheet film?) to use. I'm > also interested in moving into color work but don't have a color darkroom... > > Any thoughts/suggestions you have will be appreciated. > > Ed Healy > Buffalo, New York > > pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??????? wrote: > > > Send Pinhole-Discussion mailing list submissions to > > pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/pinhole-discussion > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > pinhole-discussion-request@p at ??????? > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??????? > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Pinhole-Discussion digest..." > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Pinhole movie camera (edwin gendron) > > 2. Re: Pinhole movie camera (edwin gendron) > > 3. Re: 35mm images (Tim Mackrell) > > 4. Infrared Pinhole Exposure Times? (L MCRAE) > > 5. New pics and new page (Erich C. Decker) > > 6. Ooooopsssss (Erich C. Decker) > > 7. Re: ilfochrome filtration (Guy Glorieux) > > 8. Re: Infrared Pinhole Exposure Times? (Guy Glorieux) > > 9. Re: New pics and new page (Guy Glorieux) > > 10. Re: New pics and new page (Erich C. Decker) > > 11. RE: ilfochrome filtration (Mike Keller) > > 12. Re: ilfochrome filtration (Chris Peregoy) > > 13. RE: ilfochrome filtration (Mike Keller) > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:12:30 -0400 > > From: edwin gendron <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole movie camera > > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > > > >Dieter, > > >I tried your link but I could not connect to it. > > >If possible though, I would love to see this phenomenon. > > > > -Ed Gendron > > -- > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Edwin Gendron > > Virginia Tech > > Residential and Dining Programs Graphics > > 43 Owens Hall (0223) > > Blacksburg, Va. 24061 > > (540)231-5398 > > [email protected] > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:17:17 -0400 > > From: edwin gendron <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole movie camera > > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > > > What kind of registration device did Christian Hossner use for this > > camera. I do understand that it was not an actual mechanical motion > > picture camera, but I am still a little unsure how it actually does > > work. > > Extremely curious, please let me know. > > -Ed Gendron > > -- > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Edwin Gendron > > Virginia Tech > > Residential and Dining Programs Graphics > > 43 Owens Hall (0223) > > Blacksburg, Va. 24061 > > (540)231-5398 > > [email protected] > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:30:47 +1200 > > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] 35mm images > > From: Tim Mackrell <[email protected]> > > To: <pinhole-discussion@p at ???????> > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > > > To answer Mike Vande Bunt question regarding pinhole size of my 35mmcamera, > > my method is not very scientific, the pinhole was made about three years ago > > and from what I remember it was made with a pin poked partially through a > > bit of thin aluminium foil, my smallest drill bit is .343 mm and this is too > > big for the hole so it must be a bit less than that...the foil was then > > taped onto the inside of the cameras body cap (which of course had a large > > hole drilled through it...) The focal length is about 40mm... > > > > ...I just did a light reading @3200asa and it is 2 sec and with a normal > > lens @f32 it reads1/15th so I figure, it must be around f180 or between > > about 0.24mm and 0.26mm, I am no mathematician so this could well be wrong, > > sorry for lack of sophistication in my measuring methods, but that's > > pinhole...:=) > > > > Cheers Tim > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 4 > > From: "L MCRAE" <[email protected]> > > To: <pinhole-discussion@p at ???????> > > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:37:30 -0400 > > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C032F9.E8D51CA0" > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Infrared Pinhole Exposure Times? > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C032F9.E8D51CA0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > Hello All, I have recently become involved in pinhole cameras and have a = > > question that I hope someone can answer. I have a Olpe & Bussiek pinhole = > > cardboard camera and am getting good results using b&w 400 ASA 120 film. = > > I'd like to switch to 200 ASA infrared film with a red 25 filter taped = > > over the shutter opening. There are many sources on the web and books = > > that give exposure times for 200/400 b&w film but I have not seen any = > > charts that list infrared/red filter exposure times. > > > > If anyone knows if such an exposure table exists, I'd like you could to = > > drop me a line; even a few hints would be appreciated . > > > > Ed M > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C032F9.E8D51CA0 > > Content-Type: text/html; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > > <HTML><HEAD> > > <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR> > > <STYLE></STYLE> > > </HEAD> > > <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello All, I have recently become = > > involved in=20 > > pinhole cameras and have a question that I hope someone can answer. I = > > have a=20 > > Olpe & Bussiek pinhole cardboard camera and am getting good results = > > using=20 > > b&w 400 ASA 120 film. I'd like to switch to 200 ASA infrared film = > > with a red=20 > > 25 filter taped over the shutter opening. There are many sources on the = > > web and=20 > > books that give exposure times for 200/400 b&w film but I have not = > > seen any=20 > > charts that list infrared/red filter exposure times.</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If anyone knows if such an exposure = > > table exists,=20 > > I'd like you could to drop me a line; even a few hints would be = > > appreciated=20 > > .</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ed M</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C032F9.E8D51CA0-- > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:30:12 +0200 > > From: "Erich C. Decker" <[email protected]> > > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] New pics and new page > > > > Hallo Pinholers Worldwide, > > > > Finally got my website restructured and a new gallery of > > Ibiza pinhole photos included. > > Luckily I had all my negatives processed in the hotel bathroom - > > Yes, I do carry my 'mini-lab' in the suitcase when I travel ;-) > > > > Several areas are still in an "under construction" format, > > but you may still visit. > > > > The Links-Page needs some polishing, but that should be worked out > > soon too. > > > > Erich C. Decker > > Mainz, Germany > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:33:04 +0200 > > From: "Erich C. Decker" <[email protected]> > > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Ooooopsssss > > > > Oooopssss, > > I forgot to give you this: > > > > http://www.fotair.de > > ==================== > > > > Sorry, > > Erich > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:46:07 -0400 > > From: Guy Glorieux <[email protected]> > > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] ilfochrome filtration > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > > > Mark, > > > > I'd be happy if you could post your findings on this, since I will be > > getting into this some time in the not too distant future. > > > > I just got my hands on a turn-of-the-century (the 19th, of course, not > > the 20th...) 11x14 view camera which I intend to use both with its > > original lens and as a pinhole camera. I still have to do quite a lot > > of cleaning on the camera, test the belows, etc. I have also found a > > 11x14 film holder on eBay for a cheap price but it may be be a couple of > > months before I am ready to do this. > > > > My plan is to do B&W paper negative and Ilfochrome with the camera, so > > any information you can find on filtration would be very helpful to me > > in the future, if you care to share it. > > > > Do you process the Ilfochrome yourself or do you drop it at your lab? > > My lab told me that they would be most happy to drop my paper into their > > processor. > > > > Thanks and best wishes. > > > > Guy Glorieux > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > Get in touch with WillieAnn Wright. > > > She did it before she did the Civil War Renactment series. > > > leezy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??????? > > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > > http://www.p at ???????/discussion/ > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:52:30 -0400 > > From: Guy Glorieux <[email protected]> > > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Infrared Pinhole Exposure Times? > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > > > My wife shoots alot of infrared on standard camera at 120 ISO, but the > > results vary according to a whole lot of factors. So if you read your > > light and work out your exposure depending on your pinhole camera's > > f-stop, this should give you a time exposure. > > > > She has not tried pinholing on infrared but has tried zoneplate, but she > > did not get the kind of results she expected and did not pursue it. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Guy Glorieux > > > > > L MCRAE wrote: > > > > > > Hello All, I have recently become involved in pinhole cameras and have > > > a question that I hope someone can answer. I have a Olpe & Bussiek > > > pinhole cardboard camera and am getting good results using b&w 400 ASA > > > 120 film. I'd like to switch to 200 ASA infrared film with a red 25 > > > filter taped over the shutter opening. There are many sources on the > > > web and books that give exposure times for 200/400 b&w film but I have > > > not seen any charts that list infrared/red filter exposure times. > > > > > > If anyone knows if such an exposure table exists, I'd like you could > > > to drop me a line; even a few hints would be appreciated . > > > > > > Ed M > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 9 > > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:59:45 -0400 > > From: Guy Glorieux <[email protected]> > > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] New pics and new page > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > > > Erich, > > > > Very nice images on your site. My daughter was in Ibiza just a few > > weeks ago, roaming aroung that part of the world for 3 months vacation > > and I'm sure she'll love to see your pictures when she comes back. > > > > Just a quick comment, I found your gallery 1 (with splendid images too) > > easier to deal with as a sequence of images scrolling down than your new > > gallery where one needs to open each image and return back to the main > > thumb page to get to next image. Perhaps you could arrange the gallery > > as a sequence of images as for your first. Just a tought... > > > > Great work! > > > > Guy Glorieux > > > > "Erich C. Decker" wrote: > > > > > > Hallo Pinholers Worldwide, > > > > > > Finally got my website restructured and a new gallery of > > > Ibiza pinhole photos included. > > > Luckily I had all my negatives processed in the hotel bathroom - > > > Yes, I do carry my 'mini-lab' in the suitcase when I travel ;-) > > > > > > Several areas are still in an "under construction" format, > > > but you may still visit. > > > > > > The Links-Page needs some polishing, but that should be worked out > > > soon too. > > > > > > Erich C. Decker > > > Mainz, Germany > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??????? > > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > > http://www.p at ???????/discussion/ > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 10 > > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:33:05 +0200 > > From: "Erich C. Decker" <[email protected]> > > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] New pics and new page > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > > > Guy, > > > > Thanks for your comments. > > > > > My daughter was in Ibiza just a few weeks ago, > > > roaming aroung that part of the world for 3 months vacation > > > and I'm sure she'll love to see your pictures when she comes back. > > > > It's a beautiful island indeed! > > Especially now toward the end of the season - with most tourists > > gone (grin) ;-). > > > > > Just a quick comment, I found your gallery 1 > > > (with splendid images too) easier to deal with as a sequence of > > > images scrolling down than your new gallery where one needs to > > > open each image and return back to the main thumb page to get to > > > next image. Perhaps you could arrange the gallery as a sequence > > > of images as for your first. Just a tought... > > > > That's indded a possibility. One other thing I thought of was to > > add a turning function (with black background) and arrows to > > click from one enlarged pic to the next. This will certainly look > > "more professional". With the next update I should have this > > completed. It's just a "little extra" work - and that is my basic > > dilemma: The more I work on webdesign, the fewer hours I have > > to spend in the lab (sniff). > > > > > Great work! > > > > Thank you. > > > > Erich (Mainz, Germany) > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 11 > > From: Mike Keller <[email protected]> > > To: "'pinhole-discussion@p at ???????'" <pinhole-discussion@p at ???????> > > Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] ilfochrome filtration > > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:06:18 -0400 > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > > > What filtration do you expect to need with Ilfochrome? It's > > tungsten-balanced, so you'd need a daylight-to-tungsten filter to shoot > > outdoors. Any other filter pack would vary as you open a new pack of paper. > > I took a class at Penland some years ago, printing (then) Cibachrome, and an > > Ilford tech rep taught the class. He brought a processor for us to use, and > > he spent some time shooting Ciba in an 11x14 field camera, and the orange > > filter was all he used. > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:05:07 -0400 > > From: Chris Peregoy <[email protected]> > > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] ilfochrome filtration > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > > > I did a few 8x10 ciba pinholes a few years ago and found that in addition to > > the 85 filter I had to use a UV filter too. I found there to be too much UV > > light affecting my color balance, perhaps because there was no glass to block > > that type of light. > > > > Mike Keller wrote: > > > > > What filtration do you expect to need with Ilfochrome? It's > > > tungsten-balanced, so you'd need a daylight-to-tungsten filter to shoot > > > outdoors. Any other filter pack would vary as you open a new pack of paper. > > > I took a class at Penland some years ago, printing (then) Cibachrome, and an > > > Ilford tech rep taught the class. He brought a processor for us to use, and > > > he spent some time shooting Ciba in an 11x14 field camera, and the orange > > > filter was all he used. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??????? > > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > > http://www.p at ???????/discussion/ > > > > -- > > Chris Peregoy | http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~peregoy | http://imda.umbc.edu/ > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 13 > > From: Mike Keller <[email protected]> > > To: "'pinhole-discussion@p at ???????'" <pinhole-discussion@p at ???????> > > Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] ilfochrome filtration > > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:26:59 -0400 > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??????? > > > > Ah! You're right, I think you need to look at all the filtration recommended > > in the instructions. UV filter is suggested in the filter pack, too, isn't > > it? > > > > --__--__-- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??????? > > > > http://www.p at ???????/discussion/ > > > > End of Pinhole-Discussion Digest_______________________________________________ > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??????? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.p at ???????/discussion/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??????? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???????/discussion/ >
